Ya know. I’m just gonna say it.
Maybe we should stop trusting the betrayal demons.
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Enter enemy territory with a small strike force, flippantly spend their lives cause you feel morally superior to them, endanger the mission through this, give up the chance to sow division against xal’atath because your a zealot, Decided nuking your only allies city is the correct course of action instead of doing the sane thing and just closing the portal.
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Gee it’s almost like the agent of essentially Lucifer sent to destroy the Void at all costs. Will in fact try to destroy the Void at all costs.
I get WoW’s built on the subversion of fantasy tropes and here ya know an undead warlock or black dragon might actually be a pretty chill dude if you bother to get to know them. Which on the whole I like.
But maybe. Just maybe. We stop giving the winged devils created by essentially Lucifier to be his spys and assassins vitally important organizational roles.
It’s kinda beyond weird the Forsaken and Army of the Light now have something in common.
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I will keep trusting the betrayal demons until I find one that is trustworthy.
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When I got to the Lothraxion part I remember going on a tirade in a friend’s DM about how utterly idiotic was for people to trust the Dreadlord.
”Trust me bro he is a good guy bro, the Light purified him bro, please bro just one more Dreadlord plot bro I promise he won’t f* us over bro, it’s not a plot he’s been cooking for a thousand years bro pls bro.”
Granted, his intent was to destroy the void and the signs of his shift weren’t exactly subtle, but I was a bit disappointed that he was too much Light Zealot™ and too little Dreadlord. These guys are known for their cunning, sleuth and trickery. We didn’t see any of that in the campaign, just him hitting his ugly bald head against a cosmic brickwall while screaming incoherently.
So when he turned on us I thought to myself “Well, I was wondering when he was gonna do that, not if.“
Edit: The point could be that the Light can turn even a Dreadlord into a golden ape, but cmon man it’s the one time I wanted the uber predictable thing to happen.
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Tbf I saw the femme versions. And I get the sentiment.
I have to wonder if he’s gone permanently or if he’s retained his ability to regenerate in the nether.
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To be fair, I think the dumb calls by Lothraxion were because he let the Light get him. More than being a betrayal demon.
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See this one’s kinda dumb.
Because on one hand you have literal voidwalker openly telling you he’s going to betray you so often that he’s re-approaching trustworthiness from the opposite direction.
On the other hand you have loyal ally who has fought alongside our heroes for thousands of years and is, unrepentantly, doing any and everything to destroy the enemy but is by virtue of his birth not trustworthy.
I don’t why know trusting the guy who told you he was going to betray you was the better option, and it shouldn’t come as a surprise if he was lying about the threat to silvermoon if the manaforge was bonked.
In the end it would make perfect sense if we actually just killed Lothraxion out of pure unrepentant naivety.
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Instructions unclear; made the betrayal demon my top advisor and he is now married to the crown princess
Because the guy openly telling you not to trust them and that they will/might betray you is unironically more trustworthy than the guy who is crashing out over having to stand next to allied creatures of the Void.
Decimus even says that until Xala’tath is dealt with we could count on him. So we at least know the bare minimum of the “when” his betrayal could possibly come.
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I liked evil shadow guy. He’s very clear he does in fact revile the Light but doesn’t want their game to end. Where’s the fun in that? The fun is in the battle. The loses, the victories - immaterial. The journey is the real destination when it comes to war with a diametrically opposed foe who has an opposite color scheme.
“This is literally me talking about the Alliance” was my takeaway.
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Right but like… why are we taking his word for it? Why is his word more trustworthy than Lothraxions?
From all discernible evidence he is planning to betray us, and any and everything he says is liable to be a lie.
I actually really like Decimus, easily the most interesting character introduced this expansion (not that that’s a high bar mind you). I’m just unsure why Alleria and Arator are so willing to accept everything he says at face value. They say they’re ready for him to betray us but every quest was just blindly doing whatever he wanted, and if the plot twist was that he already had betrayed us ala getting us to kill Lothraxion would be a much better plot twist than a repeat of Xalatoes.
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From what I remember, Lothraxion doesn’t argue that blowing up the Nexus Point wouldn’t destroy Silvermoon. Just that it is worth it.
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Illidan used portal backlash to destroy much of Nathreza, but I still think just forcibly blindly trusting Decimus just looks stupid. Umbric wasn’t consulted once on what he thought about it.
But also, there’s a part of me that’s been wondering if maybe this was Lothraxion taking the chance to try to vastly weaken Azeroth in preparation for Denathrius, by eradicating much of the prominent leadership in one blow. Have to consider the possibility, though I think he’s cooler being actually warped away from Death and Denathrius because the Light’s just so strong.
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They are not a species. They are devils born of stone for this express purpose.
Right. Decimus says something, nobody questions him despite a clear motivation to lie, and Lothraxion does some (questionable) math and says it doesn’t matter it needs to be canned immediately. In absence of Lothraxion we’re still just trusting that the transparent liar is telling the truth.
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The whole point is it isn’t in an abstract, ultimately Lothraxion runs off to take the risk. That’s the discussion, why trust one over the other. Because one is suggesting an alternative. And one is fine blowing up the city. Lothraxion doesn’t really give us an option to investigate this more.
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Decimus, my beloved. My frienemy, my nemesis and platonic lover, how I cherish the sweet nothings you whisper in my ears. The false compliments and honeyed words dripping with poison.
May our mutual destruction be as beautiful as our friendship.
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Because the other option was to wander mostly aimlessly in a very dangerous territory we don’t know with our forces spread too thinly and no solid base of operations. It was a risky gamble. Further down the campaign Lothraxion had to go because he didn’t care if Silvermoon got nuked, and we can’t have that. City got real pretty after the reforms.
Take this, multiply it by 30, then apply it to Xal’atath. When she was still cutlery.
Now she’s a goth chick that likes doing jumpscares and c’mon. C’mon. You want me to ally with Arator over her?
I just have to remind myself she said those things to a lot of Priests.
But what if she only really meant it with me?
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