[LORE, THEME] We need new writers ASAP

New writers mission:

First step, fix Orcs. (War Within cinematic in 2 weeks already has more dislikes than WOD all time)
Second step, fix Night Elves.
Third step, get rid of the concept of holding hands, family and degrading X to praise Y.

Factions fundamentals must be:

Anduin must be virtuous as he always was, but he does not have complete power over the alliance, there must be a counterpoint with political wings that demand more drastic actions. Perhaps a new alliance villain inspired by Garithos, Daelin, etc.

Thrall must be an advisor to the horde, responsible for a more peaceful wing, while the warchief must be an orc, brutal, conqueror, but even if he disagrees with thrall, he still respects him.

This is the recipe for the most prosperous future possible for WoW.

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I don’t see how this does anything but bring back the faction war and lazy writing

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Do you consider faction conflict (warcraft base) to be lazy writing?

This sentence assumes that what we currently have is not lazy writing, which would be delusional to consider.

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I consider every single expansion faction war story in WoW absolutely horrible and based 100% on lazy writing.

A faction war story literally can’t exist with out the laziest of writing.

Why?

Because the factions have been horribly imbalanced for ever.

The Alliance is a faction of demigods. The Horde is a faction of people sorta good at using a stick. Whenever a faction war lasts more than 8 seconds it relies on horrible writing.

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The DF final cinematic with the aspects getting their powers back was only marginally better than the one with the Jailer turning out to be a robot, warning us about some vague threat.

It’s like the DF trailer gets a 2.5/10 and the SL one gets a 2/10.

They’re both pretty bad.

What does ā€œaspectral powersā€ even mean?

They could do literally everything, still had magical power, they fought the primalists.

It’s hollow and meaningless lol.

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What does that mean?

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Assumed it was just using different words for ā€œdegrading ā€˜masculine’ men to praise womenā€ sorta complaint that has been trendy.

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It seems like you don’t understand what you’re saying.

Night Elves were incredible before, they put fear in orcs and humans.

Grommash brutally destroyed Cenarius, we need more of that.

But you are comparing urine to excrement.

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Removal of the faction stuff means no more stuff like Kul’Tiras & Zandalar, no more continents controlled by factions, and pretty much neutral expansions only from now on.

They only have to do about half the work they would’ve done if they had to make separate areas for both Alliance and Horde.

Regardless of the reasoning behind it, I’m not a fan.

I liked it more when Horde and Alliance both got to enjoy different stories from their own perspectives.

Horde are helping Alliance retake Gilneas next patch, lol.

It’s all neutral now, and I don’t really like it.

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Seems like someone doesn’t to know the lore at all.

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Horde has a literal troll god of death on their side, lol.

That’s pretty powerful.

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I understand what I am saying. What I said has nothing to do with night elves.

If there was a faction war, why wouldnt the Alliance demigod leaders just go to Orgimmar and genocide everyone? Absolutely no one on the Horde could stop just the handful of faction leaders on the Alliance from imposing their will.

That is why they are often written stupid, or just written out of the story…or just ignored.

ā€œOh, the faction with Jaina, Alleria, Malfurion, Tyrande, and a friggin space ship with lasers is losing to the guys with a bunch of pointy sticks.ā€

I said no more faction war. Because of the horrible writing that encompasses it.

We dont have to be at war to have different stories.

Which members of the Horde are demigods?

You think Bwonsamdi is a member of the Horde and would fight on behalf of the Horde? Can I see a lore source for that? I am told I dont know the lore. I would like you to show how Bwonsamdi is a member of the Horde.

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bwosandi is nothing compared to Grom who ripped off demigods’ heads, compared to broxigar who was the only being to hurt sargeras.

lol. Exactly. Everyone constantly complains about how bad the writing is, but we keep getting these threads asking for the story to never change.

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This is already better than titans, cosmos, void garbage.

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Battle of Dazar’alor?

He turned that giant ape against the Alliance and made it into an undead King Kong.

After you kill him, he raises tons of dead Horde soldiers to come defend.

I’m farming it for transmogs right now, literally re-living BfA lore as we speak here, now.

Bwonsamdi might be a scoundrel, but he’s 100% Horde. You wanna point out where he helps out Alliance? If there’s a moment where he does, then I’d be more convinced.

He wanted Rastakhan’s soul more than anything else, but he’s still very much a Zandalari god.

And Zandalari happens to be Horde by extension.

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Don’t even need to revive the faction conflict how it used to be with this set up.

An Example; We know the Scarlett Crusade will be making some sort of comeback in 3 future expansions announced, as they’re playing a part in the retaking of Gilneas. Let’s say they’ve changed up their human superiority complex and have let in other ā€œpure racesā€ IE those not undead or cursed like worgen.

So, they institute a pogrom specifically targeting Gilnean Worgens and Forsaken. Anduin, still a bit of an idealist, thinks diplomacy can still win over the Scarletts because their initial founding was based on ā€œgood intentionsā€. The unknown Horde Warchief(don’t think it specifically HAS to be an orc, just a very militant leader who puts honor above all else to their detriment) is of the mind that the only way to deal with genocidal groups is with equal measures of violence.

Then you have someone in the Alliance like Turalyon or Tyrande who agree with the Warchief due to their own experiences. But on the Horde side you have Gazlowe disagreeing because trade profitability is always greater during times of uneasy peace.

You still have the conflict, without reverting to the old ā€œhorde vs allianceā€ trope, there’s a framework for intrigue and interesting things to happen. You’ll have some groups wanting only half-measures in one direction or the other. There’s more depth to the potential story here than what we’ve had the past 2 expansions.

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Silly Akston, don’t you remember Ol Bwonsamdi showing up during the Battle of Dazarlor and shouting ā€œLOKTAR OGARā€ and turning it into a flawless victory for the Horde and a colossal loss for the Alliance who lost everything?

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The timing of that post could not have been more perfect.

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The Zandalari were not part of the Horde at that time.

I never made the claim he helped out the Alliance.

He is an independent entity that sometimes does things to benefit some trolls.

Yes. He had more of a connection to Rastakhan than the Horde. And he is a troll loa.

Just because a portion of Zandalari may worship him as a loa does not mean he is a member of the Horde.

Is Elune part of the Alliance?

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