Lore. Paladin Librams

I was re-reading some points in chronicles, wowpedia and in game.

i stumble upon the designation of paladin librams, as chronicle put a virtue behind the name of each libram to a respective paladin, the first 5 to be exact,.

which i find odd taking into account the original story and the longest ongoing story, minus shadowlands.

here are the 5 original librams designation:

  • Uther : Libram of Justice
  • Tirion: Libram of Retribution
  • Saidan: Libram of Holiness
  • Gavinrad: Libram of Compassion
  • Turalyon: Libram of Protection

Now, i don’t really know what was the argument behind alonsus, or the writer to give this librams to each paladin.

In my opinion, back it up by certain plot points and events, i think the librams should be likes this to better fit the overall narrative.

  • Uther: Libram of Righteousness, he has always stand his ground for what he believe is right in the name of the light, be it fighting orcs, not letting him self be consume by hatred and not following Arthas. Yet this righteousness was his own downfall.

  • Tirion: Libram of Justice, he was one of the first humans to befriended and orc and saw past their difference, and he was the responsible for opposing the corruption of the silver hand, now know as the scarlet crusade, and ultimately was the one to bring justice down to Arthas.

  • Saidan: Libram of Holiness, i think it fits him well, and ironically give a bitter sweet to his end; he took this virtue to the end, by being part of the scarlet crusade.

  • Gavinrad: Libram of Protection, he died protecting andorhal from arthas, if there is an embodiment of this virtue is him

  • Turalyon: Libram of Retribution, if there is a paladin delivering punishment, is him, his entire arc in WC2 was about this, as paladin in wc3 quote used to say, “strike with great vengeance”. This fist him best, at least to the original version. His current version was turn into a zealot sadly, since his character was one that will question everything.

This would have been a better narrative choice i believe, since most of this paladin with their respective actions, took the virtue to the extremes, some successfully, some not so much, and it shows growths, conflict and resolution.

I’d like to know your opinion, i hope a dev see this.

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Where are you going with this?

Do you want Paladins to get librams?

What is the point? If you want a lore discussion there is a forum for that.

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Good breakdown of the characters but the guy below is right. Also interesting choice of name going for the sun deity of Irish Mythos and father of ChĂĽ Chulainn

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Foul death knight! You shall not raised Tirion from the dead!

Let him rest in piece!

(thread is necro’d)

I just forgot which forum i posted this, it was a long time ago, either way it affect both lore and “gameplay”. since we some time get spells and or items referencing this topic.

And thanks

Not always consistent on that. Tirion was cast out of the Silver Hand by Uther BECAUSE of what you mentioned about him. Tirion would not believe himself worthy of his Paladin powers (just like what happened to Thrall but lasting decades) because of Uther’s condemnation of his honorable act.

Devs do not look here… PERIOD for reasons that I’ve mentioned numerous times.

There actually used to be a libram slot on the Paladin character sheet like the totem slot on the Shaman one.

I wonder if Blizzard had that in mind when they had Uther toss Arthas into Maw.

This was long ago so i can barely remember why i wrote it that way, what i can remember is that he is suppose to uphold that virtue, when he was “titled” paladin, by Alonsus.

there is a quest for this with a scenario.

They portray Uther as being the most “justice” paladin, when in fact he is one of the most Righteous ones. I say in fact, according to his actions in the game and books, and even in some of the retcons.

His fixation on Righteousness, or let’s say his excess of it, would lead him to be some what of a zealot. My main examples of that, is he judging Tyrion, and him not looking fast for a solution in Stratholme - leading to him not doing anything about it and then telling king Terenas II to pull Arthas’ Men.

i am so disappointed that you’re not a red head.
https://tenor.com/view/ugh-mad-sweeney-american-gods-annoyed-irritated-gif-18711955

hahaha sorry. I tried once thou, but my warrior already looks like Lugh of the tuatha dé danann, maybe one day i’ll customize my pally to look closer to Lugh’s older days depictions with the white long hair