I’ve been doing my utmost to be the Paladins I want to see in the Forsaken.
For the Light! 
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So not sure where to put this, so I’ll put it here since it’s for 10.1.5…
…What’s this I’m hearing Blizzard wants to make the players accessories to Alexstraza’s “involuntary contribution” to the Horde’s War Effort during the Second War?
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basically, blizzard decided to demonstrate the difficult choices that bronze dragons have to make by having Chromie provide the player with two absurdly tone deaf quests:
the more infamous one is correcting the timeline to ensure that Alexstrasza has to endure… yeah. truly a great look for a company that’s been outed for sexism/sexual abuse
the second one has you, the player, brutally murder Amber Kearnen because the timeline demands it. not really sure why they would have you personally kill her but the blizzard writers thought it was a swell idea
fortunately, they seem to be backing off/removing these quests, but I sincerely wonder how the flying pho either of them were ever being considered for live release. especially the Alexstrasza one. absolutely nutso behavior
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I will never not be in awe of a company who has Time Travel baked into its fantasy universe doubling down on the problematic aspects of its own historical narrative (ie Everything relating to Alexstraza) rather than simply using that baked in plot device to…smooth out the rough edges, as it were as times and tastes change.
The article in which I heard about the whole Alexstraza nonsense remarked that, at the time, that story beat generated no attention. Well duh. Because at the time, we didn’t realize the Dragons were sentient creatures. It was only in WarCraft 3 we heard one talk for the first time and even for old guard like me who’d been playing since Humans vs Orcs, the dots didn’t really start connecting until World of WarCraft made Dragons - specifically the Aspects - a big deal.
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Seems like they’re removing it. The threads are on the PTR forums. One of them got closed. It was going to be a daily 
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“Quickly heroes! Chain that woman back to the Radiator before she realizes the lock snapped and makes a dash for the unlocked basement door!”
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The tone was also bad, like Chromie essentially going “tee hee we shouldn’t tell Alextrasza about this!” among other things.
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We also help Arthas murder the entire population of Stratholme though. The Bronze narrative has always been around preserving the timeline, even though that means preserving morally evil events in history.
Bad people do bad things in wow lore. That tends to be the way of it. It’s weird that they’d bring something like that so front and centre though.
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Oh wow yeah that’s pretty horrible
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In the interest of absolute, total fairness here though there’s a marked difference between the two though.
We aren’t the ones tasked with delivering the tainted grain to Stratholme to ensure Arthas takes his first steps on the road to damnation. With Alexstraza, Blizzard wanted to make the players accessories to her “forced participation” in the Second War.
You legit can do the secondary quest without making the player base tainted by association. The Infinite have absconded with the Demon Soul in the past, and the Bronzes are very much not cool with the idea of that flight having access to so potent an artifact. You go to stop them, and in the course of the scenario the Demon Soul falls into the hands of the Dragonmaw. The heinous crap still happens, but the players are still metaphorically “clean” from the action.
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I see your point when you put it that way, yeah. Glad they’re changing it!
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The mention of those questlines genuinely made me question if we can just join Murozond to destroy these timelines because those timelines are horrid.
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Back during Wrath of the Lich King
“Why would the Infinite Dragonflight want to kill Thrall? It makes zero sense and would destabilize the Horde, possibly rendering them completely sidelined for events to come!”
Now, in 2023
“…did we back the wrong horse?”
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What if that ends up being the point.
Murozond didn’t arise because Nozdormu tried to cheat his own death. He got fed up being told he had to enable and protect soul-crushing events in history so some distant, uncaring, macro-focused God-like beings could win, in a game where there is no way to win definitively, and decided to just start flipping tables because he was done with watching his sisters and brothers being chewed up and spat out like gum?
Still hoping they either scrap the events or, if they have to have them in the game for whatever reason, rework them so its the players helping to free Alexstraza or we pull a swifty and replace the Demon Soul with a sabotaged version so she can break free.
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Using this exact same logic, wouldn’t it make more sense to pull the Deadpool 2 meme of, instead of going to kill Thrall, go to kill Gul’dan and Blackhand to make sure the whole matter of Outland never occurs by the Orcs just flat out never reaching Azeroth?
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Sounds like a good plan to me. Where do I sign up to make the legion of Mortals for the Infinite Dragonflight?
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Honestly I’ve always been sympathetic towards Murozond, or at least the temptation of the infinite dragonflight. Like really if you had the power to time travel and change whatever you want, it would seem a moral imperative to actually put a stop to history’s most grievous evils, right?
Despite that though I can’t help but think you’d go mad with such a power. Either because it becomes intoxicating and you essentially shape reality to your personal preferences, or because it becomes maddeningly frustrating to be eternally fixing things because no matter how much you stop or fix, human nature continues to produce and perpetuate more evil.
There’s depth and nuance to these topics tbh, and that’s what makes them fun.
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What makes it insanely messed up is that Nozdormu had full vision of exactly what was going to happen to Alexstraza, to Neltharion, to Ysera and to Malygos.
He knew, thousands of years before these events would unfold, what would happen to his family, his friends, his clutch-mates.
Every Dragon that he saw he knew that most of them would die, if not in the Dragon Civil War that raged between the Aspects and the Incarnates, then between the Blacks and the other Flights, and then when Mortals would arise, how many countless Dragons would be butchered and slain out of bigotry, fear, greed and paranoia.
So what in the Gorram Zogg did he see in the timelines, when the Titan of Time himself, Aman'thul, that would convince this thoughtful and deeply empathic being to sit back and allow all of this to happen, and what is the event that finally destroyed his will to see the True Timeline preserved?
I’m dying to know if it is Alexstraza’s corruption, and if our return of Ysera, a direct violation of his ‘future knowledge’ that he would be the last surviving Aspect in the future, might be enough to either tip Nozdormu over the edge, or if her return that convinces Nozdormu to avert his own fall to corruption, thus reducing Nozdormu to just a rogue entity from a potential future, rather than the inevitable future Nozdormu has been staring at for 25,000+ years?
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Idk but I want the bronze dragon human man. To make out with me
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The best-case scenario is you’ll end up with some Sands of Time in really uncomfortable places … also I think most of Nozdormu’s Consorts are still alive? You’re okay with polyamory, right?
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