Loot trading takes away a lot more then it adds. One of the best parts of Vanilla was pugging groups and as a result potentially making long term friends with these pugs. As a result of this system you're going to get a lot more of squads of 2-4 people and they will need on practically everything to trade with one another.
Yes of course it alleviates the mislooting issue, but I think the cons definitely outweigh the pros.
I really hope blizzard reconsiders this, and to all of the people saying this change is fine think about the repercussions this system can have instead of just the pros.
From what you said, it just sounds like other people made friends with other people before you did, lol
i agree with not loot trading, however i feel the whole issue its self is dependent
on the group and group leader. especially when raiding begins.
on the group and group leader. especially when raiding begins.
11/03/2018 03:43 PMPosted by IronsidesFrom what you said, it just sounds like other people made friends with other people before you did, lol
I mean if you think that how about you click on my character and look at my raid progression currently? You think I strictly pugged 6/8M Uldir?
Ugh so this is happening because you're not going to have GM's to baby sit and make trades.
So the obvious answer here is you can trade any loot you haven't rolled need on as others are suggesting. Rolling need automatically makes it soul bound, even if it was boe.
So the obvious answer here is you can trade any loot you haven't rolled need on as others are suggesting. Rolling need automatically makes it soul bound, even if it was boe.
11/03/2018 03:46 PMPosted by XukonUgh so this is happening because you're not going to have GM's to baby sit and make trades.
So the obvious answer here is you can trade any loot you haven't rolled need on as others are suggesting. Rolling need automatically makes it soul bound, even if it was boe.
Yes I do agree the need roll binding it would be a somewhat decent solution.
This is a good change. Back in the day you could still swap loot around even after it was handed out. You just couldn't do it directly. Time and time and time again when loot was accidentally handed to the wrong person you had to fix it by having the person who wrongly received the loot open a ticket and then a GM would do the swap.
So swapping has always been with us, it was just a lot more involved. It was also a lot more costly for Blizzard to deal with since it meant a GM had to step each and every time.
So swapping has always been with us, it was just a lot more involved. It was also a lot more costly for Blizzard to deal with since it meant a GM had to step each and every time.
11/03/2018 03:48 PMPosted by Mav11/03/2018 03:46 PMPosted by XukonUgh so this is happening because you're not going to have GM's to baby sit and make trades.
So the obvious answer here is you can trade any loot you haven't rolled need on as others are suggesting. Rolling need automatically makes it soul bound, even if it was boe.
Yes I do agree the need roll binding it would be a somewhat decent solution.
They said that very thing on the panel. If you need on something it is bound to that player. Sky falling averted! =)
I honestly have to agree with Blizzard on this one. Getting loot from one player to another was probably the most common use of the GM system in Vanilla, by quite a bit. Having to petition a GM to alter something in-game is the point where I feel that the game itself breaks down, and can no longer be considered part of the experience. Allowing players to trade loot between themselves without having to petition a GM will allow us to continue playing uninterrupted, rather than forcing the group leader to stick around and wait for a ticket reply (which could take quite a bit of time).
loot trading is one of the things I called would be in, there is no other way to manage incorrect looting, they aren't going to pay a gm to sit there sorting incorrect loots manually for sake of nostalgia, retail automated support is what is in.
what is totally going to happen, run dungeon with 2 friends, they all need on whatever and them pass it to your friend, then the guy that actually wanted it is going to inspect the guy that won it and say "but you have X, you don't need it!"
and this going to create a different kind of community,I guess just run stuff with friends/guildies I guess, this is what we did in wrath and that is when loot trading was added.
what is totally going to happen, run dungeon with 2 friends, they all need on whatever and them pass it to your friend, then the guy that actually wanted it is going to inspect the guy that won it and say "but you have X, you don't need it!"
and this going to create a different kind of community,I guess just run stuff with friends/guildies I guess, this is what we did in wrath and that is when loot trading was added.
Obvious good intention for a change. Something they believe should be in and doesn’t hurt the actual gameplay of classic. If they say it’s happening on the panel, don’t try to weasel out of it. Complain all you want but it won’t change. Ironic isn’t it?
I'd accept the consequence of ninjas looting for their friends, if it meant that drops would become more valuable again. This whole "everyone gets a prize" system really cheapens the excitement of getting better gear.
Not to mention that only people with friends can ninja loot for their friends in group... the solution: Make some friends.
Its a social game, lets pretend like we understand what that means.
Not to mention that only people with friends can ninja loot for their friends in group... the solution: Make some friends.
Its a social game, lets pretend like we understand what that means.
11/03/2018 04:08 PMPosted by AstarahlObvious good intention for a change. Something they believe should be in and doesn’t hurt the actual gameplay of classic. If they say it’s happening on the panel, don’t try to weasel out of it. Complain all you want but it won’t change. Ironic isn’t it?
Just because they have a good intention doesn't mean its good. Look at pvp templates for example. Also saying complain all you want but it wont change... That's why all the complaining about azerite acquisition didn't enact any changes right?
100s of thousands of players will re sub and give them $15 a month and they are too cheap to hire on dedicated GMs. just another reason this is going to bomb.
It will increase ninja looting AND loot collusion.
your doing UBRS, 2 of your guild mates already have Truestrike shoulders, but they have them unequipped while in the group.
truestrike shoulders drop. you and your 2 guild members roll need on the item to increase the % of getting the item.
guild mate 1 wins the roll, equips his own truestrike shoulders, then trades the ones that drop to his friend after the dungeon.
instead of a 50% chance between you and the pug player to get the item, now the pug player has less than 30% chance to get the item.
NOT FAIR.
If you mess up looting an item. sorry about your luck try again. GM's should toss out every ticket about looting mistakes. take responsibilities for your actions and pay attention next time.
your doing UBRS, 2 of your guild mates already have Truestrike shoulders, but they have them unequipped while in the group.
truestrike shoulders drop. you and your 2 guild members roll need on the item to increase the % of getting the item.
guild mate 1 wins the roll, equips his own truestrike shoulders, then trades the ones that drop to his friend after the dungeon.
instead of a 50% chance between you and the pug player to get the item, now the pug player has less than 30% chance to get the item.
NOT FAIR.
If you mess up looting an item. sorry about your luck try again. GM's should toss out every ticket about looting mistakes. take responsibilities for your actions and pay attention next time.
Loot trading is great.
11/03/2018 03:48 PMPosted by MedeoanThis is a good change. Back in the day you could still swap loot around even after it was handed out. You just couldn't do it directly. Time and time and time again when loot was accidentally handed to the wrong person you had to fix it by having the person who wrongly received the loot open a ticket and then a GM would do the swap.
So swapping has always been with us, it was just a lot more involved. It was also a lot more costly for Blizzard to deal with since it meant a GM had to step each and every time.
the GMs would check out the rolls and the chat log so if a pug had a higher roll than the person the mis looted person wants to give the item to it would not be approved. this just allows loot stealing and cheating.
Loot trading is a very bad idea. I have spent hours running dungeons on multiple alts and have had too many unpleasant experiences with dungeon players who group up and "need" on everything. When I confront their behavior, I get serious attitude and grief from them. Most are bullies and make the whole dungeon experience unpleasant. I do NOT think this should be in Vanilla or any other location in Wow!
Maybe if you didn't say anything about it. Peope wouldn't have known this was a thing. Same thing happened with warfronts. You can ark to win. Enough people did that to a point that so many people faked that they lost a waterfront.