The game is over before it even began. Looting trading creates the toxic environment that pushes out players who want to enjoy a positive helpful MMO, the way classic used to be.
Now tons of guys will be taking items they don’t need or want to try to trade or sell the gear later to other players. Teams will take gear they don’t need to swap to others.
The rest of the players will be forced to play the game of taking gear they don’t need to sell or trade defensively to even the game or just quit.
The majority of guys that enjoyed classic by doing their own thing most of the time with occasionally raiding will be pushed out of the game.
Blizzard is losing 2+ million plus players for this bad move, so I guess they solved their problem of occasionally having to swap an item by removing a huge portion of their player base.
Just the raid leader has to be smart.
If the raid leader is running the scam then you as a player has to be smart. You can inspect players and know what is the classes MS/OS or +1 rule see if player needed it. If not mark raid leader/player on ignore post ninja loot. Do the proper homework before doing it and make sure it’s not out of envy or ppl will know. Then you will be marked as a player that called wolf if it’s a false claim.
You run a great risk when you ninja an item in vanilla style game or not so smart of a player.
You have 38 witnesses if something is ninja you will not be the only one that noticed.
Raid leader /party leader should state the rules of loot or what is on reserve. Only things that should be on reserve is something for a tank, a great healer, or if 80% is made up of a guild for a dps to get said item. If you see someone running something saying item on reserve and it’s a dps, you can make a group as well. I for one will not join a group if something is on reserve, if it doesn’t follow logical sense. As the above three things I stated.
Most important roles will always come first.
A tank is most important= s/he can roll on all MS/OS(with in reason). Meaning the tank does PvP s/he will most likely roll on a two hander. Has to make sense or come to an agreement before raid start for a certain armor piece and s/he will tank(has to be a good tank meaning doesn’t need any other tank gear).
A healer is next in line most important role and rolls on MS only. Will roll on a BOE as in the ACE of beast or reserve it.
Dps least important role.
MS only unless nobody wants it.
BiS has to make sense. As if a hunter is rolling on one hander set bonus item as in a weapon but has other options available. The hunter should be smarter and go for item it drops more and has same attributes. Can still get item but running the risk ppl ignoring said person.
Do you not see a problem with Blizzard willingly creating issues for players without a good motive?
The whole argument for loot trading merely stems from Blizzard branding their players as stupid and incapable of holding their own pants. The same reason brought a myriad of destructive changes to the game over the years.
This isn’t even about the leader, the leader has no control over the player who received that item. Will he attempt to sell it to somebody? He’s probably already getting a bunch of whispers offering him money. Is he going to pass it to a buddy? Did he roll/bid without actually needing it, just so he can trade it to somebody? What’s stopping him from equipping some lower quality piece in the slot he’s aiming for before joining the raid?
Do you expect the leader, and the rest of the raid to monitor what happens to every single item?
Also, gold based pugs and such will happen, and loot trading would be absolutely atrocious there.
Here’s an idea - Don’t raid with pugs. The only thing people pugged in Classic was UBRS, and Blizz themselves confirmed that it’s not eligible for loot trading because it doesn’t have a lockout.
When Naxx was in full swing right before BC, there may have been a sporadic ZG or AQ pug, but anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together avoided them like the plague. A pugged ZG or AQ was most assuredly going to be a colossal $#!@show anyway. Ninja-looting and sketchy behavior happened even when there wasn’t loot trading, which is why only masochists pug those raids.
Want fair and balanced loot? Join a guild like 99.999% of the playerbase and this won’t even be an issue.
I see some posts saying “it’s a fresh 110, obviously a troll.” I really don’t see it as being obvious. Maybe wanting to hide your main is warranted by how others who post controversial topics are just auto-flamed most of the time.
I honestly don’t see why OP isn’t wrong though. I wasn’t the most active person in Vanilla. I started playing in 2006 but I was there all the same. Albeit I still don’t fully understand this argument.
It makes sense to me that allowing loot trading allows people to take gear they don’t need and sell/trade it or take said loot and gquit to another guild. Weather it was a bug or in a guild, I can see people doing these crappy things.
Don’t bash this. Instead just rationally explain the counter to this, how I see it, valid concern.
Because it only happens in raids with a raid lock (MC, BWL, ZG etc)
If you’re doing that you’re doing one of a few systems:
1.) Master Looter
or
2.) Random Rolls
If you’re doing random rolls then you’re literally not giving a crap anyway right?
If you’re master looting then you’re either controlling rolls, using some sort of DKP system, or a loot council - any of which are going to go to people that have either A.) Earned it or B.) been determined by the guild leaders to be in the best interest of guild progression - neither of which are going to be to people that are there to screw around.
Loot trading - as they suggested it initially - was a very minor concern, if any. Now with the raid lock changes? It’s the perfect solution to balance what Blizz wants (no CS spent on it) and preventing abuse.
I fail to see your point with this as Master Loot contains the same risks as being able to “Loot Trading”. This change is valid and needed. It is also being implemented in a restricted way where it can only be used in a raid instance and in 99.99% of instances will be guild controlled. Granted there can be issues with PUG raids. However loot is typically a determined factor prior to the run (Looting Method).
This loot-trading feature prevents mislooted gear from raids taking 3-5 days to be correctly looted. So the very limited areas where this could be abused boils down to how well you trust your raid leader.
Loot Trading isnt the issue here your lack of faith in your raid leader is.
![:ok_hand:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/ok_hand.png?v=6" ":ok_hand:")