So ive run several raids now where greedy people have stolen loot from others.
Example: you’re healing abberus and rashoks trinket drops, but the enhance shaman set their loot spec to heals. Three healers roll on it, and the enhance shaman rolls and wins it. Now he either equips it immediately or, the more recent trend ive seen, is they then try to sell it to the healers in the raid. Ive seen the same thing with ash’kandur as well or even sarks cloak.
I get the idea behind getting rid of master looter cause of people stealing loot that way but in a way you’ve made it so much worse.
So no tokens, no personal loot because it was too easy to get gear, and no master looter cause the ML could be a jerk about it. So now we’re left with greedy people that will take the loot and even trash it if no one buys it from them.
I know some people are going to say thats why you don’t pug. But ive seen it in complete guild runs too. I cant stop that person from hitting need, and i cant force them to trade it. Sure i can kick them out of the raid but that rare drop is gone and who knows when we’ll see it again
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did you consider the “enhance shaman” might be a healer main who just swapped to enhance because the group didn’t need yet another healer?
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So screw the current healers that are actively in there healing and filling the role they are asked to fill because someone either sometimes heals or wanted to dps
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Cross realm trading was a bad change.
I don’t mind people rolling on a different spec to gear it up.
Rolling to auction off for gold that is now possible due to cross realm trading was a stupid/bad change.
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why are the “current healers” more valid than somebody who usually heals but is asked to go dps/tank to help the group?
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Because they’re actively in that role doing the current requirement. If they’ve been healing that entire raid lockout, youre saying the pug or the person thst comes in later is more important than the the current main spec
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who cares about a single lockout? suppose we have two players, A and B.
A heals raid every week. A plays m+ and exclusively heals there. A also does some solo shuffle healing in their spare time.
B plays dps in raid every week. Does not do keys or pvp. B tells the gm “hey, I want to heal tomorrow so I can get the rashok trinket”.
GM tells A to go dps so B can come heal raid tonight.
You’re saying that not only is A not worthy of rolling on the healing trinket, but it’s objectively fair and obvious that B is the only person who should have a chance to get it.
That’s the weirdest viewpoint.
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How dumb are we? Just don’t pay. If people don’t pay, they won’t do it.
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I agree, and i wouldn’t. But people do buy them. But my point is that it can be an incredibly rare drop and someone’s greed has cost you the chance at for several more lockouts where it MAY drop again
You’re completely looking at it from a fully run guild perspective. So lets say the shaman was a pug? Youre hyper focused on it being a complete guild run
it doesn’t matter at all. a person’s main spec is not “whatever spec they happen to be in while you’re grouped with them”. that’s not what “main spec” means.
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Ain’t nobody stealing loot in this system. PLAYERS DID NOT CREATE THIS SYSTEM. If it allows you to roll need you have every right by the rules of the system to roll need. Stop blaming each other for simply using a system presented to us. Blizzard did this. We are only working within the confines of the system they reinstated.
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Fun hypothetical. But it’s pretty simple. In your example the dps would just say, “hey, i would like to roll on rashok.”
Everything would be fine.
But that is not what is happening.
Players are joining heroic pugs. Rolling on everything with the intention of selling. I have even seen players vendor rare items if they don’t get any bids, so that they can roll again next week.
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he doesn’t have to say anything. he’s a healer who is dpsing this run. he doesn’t need anybody’s permission to roll on gear he needs for his character.
for real? are they streaming or are they sharing their screen with you?
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If the loot appears in your adventure guide raid journal they have every right to roll need or whatever. It doesn’t matter what role you have set the rules remains the same.
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no!!! everyone has to follow my made-up loot rules!!!
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Literally linking screenshots in class disc. Talking about how much easier it is to do this, than sell keys.
it does sound easier than selling keys. how is it any different than if they’d won a piece they didn’t need under personal loot and then offered to sell it?
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We don’t have personal loot. We have group loot. With need and greed options. Both are pretty self explanatory.
This is how we lose group loot and players.
apparently not, because a lot of people here seem to think “need” is only a valid selection if it coincides with the spec you’re playing (as opposed to your loot spec). that’s not what blizzard thinks. so it seems there’s some confusion for a lot of people on the forum!
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