After an unfortunate incident of a DPS winning a tank trinket (decoration of flame) due to a loot spec change before pull, I decided to submit a ticket to see what Blizzard’s stance was on this kind of interaction because everyone in the raid found this to be quite unfair especially the tanks. A Game master responded by saying this is not against ToS even though it felt unfair. The GM later went on to say that while this may not be an infraction, that could change with player feedback.
Loot spec should be locked when you enter a raid. If you swap specs to perform a different role, your loot spec should change with it but you shouldn’t be able to manually change it. Outside of raid though, there is nothing wrong with changing loot spec since everything else is personal loot.
What are your thoughts on this?
That’s fine. Queues will just take an eternity with no tanks or healers signing up.
Fundamentally your complaint is that loot spec worked as intended.
If a Warrior is in the raid for a Tank trinket and they’ve set their loot spec to Prot, they should be able to roll need if the Tank trinket drops. When Tank gear drops it shouldn’t be 50/50 between the two tanks. Other people, if they’ve set their loot spec to it, should get the chance to roll also.
“But they didn’t tank the fight…” because only two tanks are required. 
Completely disagree. If someone is there for the boss kill, they should be able to roll on what they want, as long as they can use it. It’s still the same person behind the character. You want them to have to leave the raid and find a new raid group for every single boss?
Light forbid someone get the DPS item they were looking for and switch their loot spec for the next boss.
0 Post level 35 alt.
Anyway, Hard Disagree. Unrestricted PL back to avoid this.
With Personal Loot it made sense to be able to change loot spec
With Group Loot tho it 100% should be locked to your current spec.
How is one intended to gear another spec if he can’t set his spec to tank while in dps? You would fundamentally lock someone into being forced to play the 1 spec they chose at the start. The issue here isn’t the loot spec IMO its the amount of items that drop from a LFR they need to up that so people have better chances at loot and then we are all fine
Stop being upset you lost an item and move on from it. no ones entitled to a piece of gear.
It isn’t even just LFR tbh. This “issue” is largely the fact tanks are just not “needed” in PUG raids. When you only need 2 tanks for 20 people, yeah you aren’t getting into groups as a tank and have an easier chance filling the 14 DPS slots and rolling on tank gear.
Tanks have the easiest time finding groups though, became they are so many groups and never enough tanks.
Say you main dps and want to try tanking or healing - would make sense to get some gear for the new role before swapping to that role.
In M+, sure, but if you go to raid it is almost ALWAYS 2/X/Y in the group finder.
Going from m+ to raid every other role quadruples in slots besides tanks doubling.
If you are a dps you can very easily pick and choose your boss fight in raids because every group wants more dps or even as a healer adding a healer adds potential for 3-4 more dps slots. There could be 3 groups on broodkeeper and you want to target it for the ring or a shield, but all 3 are 2/3/7 or whatever. You are NEVER getting into that group as a tank while you can maybe slip in as a dps.
- Sometimes loot tables must be gamed. Fury runs Arms loot spec most of the time to prevent getting 1-hand weapons.
- In queue’d content, your tanks are most often dps getting faster queues. If they can’t change loot spec to dps, do you think they will still queue as tank?
- Same for healers.
Sorry about your luck, but you’re going to break more than you “fix” over loot envy.
Sure one would say its ‘easier’ for dps but dps have more scrutiny put on them. if you dont perform you get kicked and you are usually blamed for being the reason a group would wipe either dying to a mechanic or not doing enough dps leading to the wipe
So sure, tanks get filled and usually stay in groups longer, however that’s only because you are going to kick the dps long before you ever consider kicking a tank. Its not a 1:1 comparison.
no, this is perfectly fine… there is nothing wrong with going into a raid being overgeared for your main spec so you want to roll need for an offspec.
Plenty of groups kick tanks if they are bad. If the tank faces frontal all willy nilly or fails swaps or taunts Kurog into Ice->Earth it’s “bye bye cya later”.
As a general rule I think PUGs cycle through all players too slow regardless of role. The amount of people given 5th chances after dying to raz 30 second cast time breath or taking a group soak to narnia or whatever is too high in PUGs.
How about this for a middle ground then: Players can change their loot spec but their rolls are considered OS. If no one else needs those items for MS, they have a good chance at winning them. If one thinks OS rolls should be on par with MS rolls, that would be entitlement.
Why not? In a guild group, they’re going to prioritize the tanks over someone’s off spec.
Just like GL should prioritize main spec over off specs. Like this character shouldn’t win a dps trinket over a dps if I’m healing.
Maybe I’m just too old school because this is how it’s supposed to work.
A guild group shouldn’t have this problem; it should only be an issue for pugs. As you say, a good guild/loot coordinator is going to have every pass and effectively have master looter. Anyone that doesn’t pass on loot is banned from raid (and would likely /gquit, but then that guild doesn’t want the drama from that person that can’t follow the guild rules).
That’s how it would work with a 100% guild group. That’s not how it’s supposed to work if even one pug is involved… there is no master loot, so if you have pugs they will use the system as implemented and currently, people can change loot spec to something that’s not their current role, and need/win against people actually in the role of their loot spec. That’s the rules Blizz implemented and as the GM told the OP, it’s clearly not against ToS.
P.S., if it wasn’t clear, I’m in favor of 100% guild groups having an option for actual Master Loot. I’d also love to see that change and elimination of group loot in favor of personal loot for all situations where group loot is currently used and the group is not 100% from the same guild.
Congratulations, you’re punishing people who flex between heal and DPS.
"No raid lead, I can’t heal on this boss because this boss drops a DPS trinket/2H weapon/etc.
Can you elaborate?