I mean… I mean…
If the guild you join has inner circles then I’d advise you find another.
I ran loot council for two years on 40m that went just fine.
Basically we promoted a random (/roll 40) person to officer each raid so they could witness how the officers dealt with upgrade requests.
Exactly. These aren’t people who have used loot council. They’re people who rarely raid, pug when they do, and have just heard what loot council is and concoct these worst-case-scenario ideas in their heads. Do you really think all of these top guilds who used loot council would have managed to stay together and accomplish what they did if they just used loot council to “funnel gear to the GM and his cronies”?
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This is Classic, you need 3-4 nights to clear MC when you first get there and killing one boss locks you to that instance. So 40 people get locked to one raid. Back in the day it was very hard to find replacements who knew fights and could perform well that were ready and willing to be saved to an instance for filling a spot one night out of three and know they have no chance of any loot because they have no DKP anyway.
Because of this attendance to raids is pretty much mandatory in classic, you aren’t going to see people skipping raids because they have low DKP or they will be replaced quick. Loot council helps this negatively and positively, giving new committed raiders chances to get big upgrades while still encouraging all raiders to keep a steady raid attendance to stay in the councils good books.
I think this is just bringing up the other end of the curve. It’s a system that works great for your top 1% guilds, and I’ve even been in a couple of guilds that used it where I thought it worked out pretty well. The problem is that those guilds aren’t filled with, or run by, ‘most people’.
Sure, a guild that abuses loot council is just a crappy guild, but I think statistically there are more of those than there are your well-managed, high-end competitive guilds, and I think that’s what most people probably have experience with, if they have.
If your raid team isn’t selfish, short sighted and packed with wingnuts, loot council works fine.
Besides, if you’re having loot drama, at any level, you need to find a higher quality of guild(y.)
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I’ve never ran with a guild that used loot council that wasn’t a contender for being a top guild on the server. I wonder why that is…
Might work for a casual guild but any serious one it is not, especially for classic.
Think of all the warriors putting bows high up on their list for stat sticks and getting them before hunters or all the different classes fighting over 2hander melee weapons once again just stat sticks for some.
And these are going to be 40 man raids, people are going to quit guilds or get replaced alot the first month or two, do the new raiders just get put into this priority order and are able to get their top priority piece on their first raid?
Seems very flawed to me.
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Right… That’s what I’m saying. The majority of players likely aren’t looking at this from the perspective of being in guilds that are ‘a contender for being a top guild on the server’. They’re in the other 95%, where these problems will arise more often.
when your loot council awards a spirit ring to the warlock who sleeps with a member of the council, be sure to stop by this thread again…
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I was in the top raid on proudmoore during vanilla. we didn’t use loot council, nor were we all in the same guild.
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Some streamers/tubers should make specific content just to show bro-council process for loot drops. It’d be hilarious at times, and probably cause some good drama too.
How to be a top guild in wow classic. Give loot to your top raiders cause they are carrying the raid. See how easy that is you dont need a council of people too figure out who should have what.
Debauchery Tea Party
Would love to find a group like that on Classic.
DKP is the only system that actually works. Use it or lose guild members to loot drama.
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Sounds novel. I like it!
Jadsea, that is exactly what I was posting. I seen that to often. Loot council it happened more often. Where they would sleep with an officer, be a gf/bf, wife/husband, or send in some nudes.
Loot Council = progression. It’s as simple as that. One person getting a tiny upgrade compared to someone else in the raid getting a huge upgrade is a no-brainer for progression. We must seize the means of progression comrade. You must work hard so that we may all be successful.
My guild used a mix of council and dkp, mainly DKP with the important pieces being discussed before willy nilly giving them to someone who may not benefit from it as fully as another. I’ll never forget the time I passed on chromatic sword and gave it to a rogue despite the raid telling me to take it then the rogue never showing up again for months afterwards. Sometimes the council is right.
Yes, and the marathon is gear acquisition more than anything. The main point of loot council is that loot goes where it best helps the guild. Giving gear to a person who isn’t committed to the guild and leaves in a day does nothing to help, but giving gear to your core member helps a lot. Loot council simply means you need to earn your place before you can expect to get anything.
Rolling for loot is the real worst system. The roll is independent of all factors and yet it is the sole decider of who gets what? Why don’t we roll for who tanks or roll for which zone we raid? Why don’t we roll for who leads the raid or who is guild leader? Rolling for loot is just as stupid.