Used to play a long time ago, just came back to the game and loved the demon hunter. i am Ilvl 400 and like to think i do ok, but vs other DH i feel like i am missing something. I use the Demonic build and follow to typical rotation, so the first bit on the boss i compete with top dps usually, but after Meta falls off my dps does as well. So start of fight i can bet in the mid to high 20s. but by the end usually 15k, on fights like jaina more like 10 or 12k.
Some of this is just me worried more of mechanics of fights then DPS, but even when its not a heavy mechanic fight i seem to be lower then some other DHs. Anyone have any tips they have found to boost DPS?
I know its an Open-ended question that is hard to answer and we could go deep into exactly what am i doing, but just looking for tips and tricks people have found.
your haste starved. from what I see you are 14% haste and no furious gaze trait. what this equates to in the demonic build is less death sweeps. you only have 8 secs to get off 2 death sweeps during your eye beam meta. with low haste and no furious gaze you probably are only getting 2 off on the pull and maybe during 1 or 2 eye beam metas during the fight. where as my Dh with 18% haste and 1 furious gaze trait I almost always get 2 off during my short meta phase. for me at least optimizing my dps during that window has done wonders to my overall dps and damage in raids. I beat out a DH 9 ilvls higher then me during our last raid so im doing something right… or he is doing something really really wrong lol
You’re azerite traits could use some work, other then that, without furious gaze sim’s show that you should really be focusing on haste and vers more then crit.
Otherwise have you looked at your wow logs? Are the other DH’s getting more active time then you? Might be best to compare, though I would guess lacking furious gaze trait (and a few other suboptimal ones like Eyes of Rage) are the primary cause.
Also pretty much everything Boltaction mentioned.
Hmmm actually looking at the SIM it still shows crit higher then haste (though not by much)
Thanks, Everything i read said 15% max haste, but that was probably old news, I am working on better Traits, just bad luck the past 2 weeks. Thanks for the pointers
@ Squintdh Appreciate the help, i will have to compare the logs, always forget about comparing. When i have usually pretty balanced with them, they just did more damage Hence why i was confused. But more haste better traits may help out alot
You can fit 2 Death Sweeps into Demonic meta even at 0 haste rating, assuming you time it such that your first GCD in that meta is a Death Sweep, and you don’t delay the second one at all (and Death Sweep’s CD is an even multiple of the GCD, so you never should need to). More haste just makes it easier. And you need >125% haste to get in 3.
why do you bring this up everytime this discussion comes up? everyone knows this already and we are not talking about on the pull when everything is on CD. are you saying that making sure to get 2 death sweeps every eye beam is not optimizing your dps? im confused cuz it most certainly is
I’m not talking about the pull, I’m talking about the 8s Meta you get after Eye Beam. You only need 12.5% haste to get two Death Sweeps into an 8s period (9s base CD, 8.0s CD requires 12.5% haste), and you get 25% simply from being in meta form. I bring it up to dispel this notion that there’s some magical minimum threshold of haste in order to get that second Death Sweep in. There isn’t, you can do it completely naked. Getting that second Death Sweep in is a result of rotational optimization and timing, not gear stats. More haste on your gear just lets you play a bit more fast-and-loose with your Blade Dance and Eye Beam timing.
Edit: the OP even ran into one of the side effects of this misconception, which is this weird sentiment amongst the community that we need to hit 15% haste and then stop stacking it. The point where other stats start taking over for haste is heavily dependent on each person’s individual gear and secondary stat ratios, and goes up as overall gear (and thus total secondary stat budget across all gear) increases. It’s not 15% and then bust, or 15% so you can get a 2nd Death Sweep in, or anything like that. Sim your stat weights regularly, use an addon like Pawn to track gear value, and go off of that (or simply sim every drop you get in Raidbot’s Top Gear tool).
oh ok that makes more sense. So im just kinda explaining in a manner that could make people think about the threshold. or that im implying they have to reach the threshold first in order to fit the 2nd sweep in. I bring it up only because im not sure all DH’s even realize that they have to fit 2 in during that meta to optimize dps. and that not doing so will result in a pretty decent dps loss. but once you realize that you need to do this during your short meta phases it becomes pretty easy to optimize. as you said even with low haste its not overly complicated. but wow is it easier with high haste. and it also allows you to fit in more chaos strikes to empower that 2nd death sweep. rather then just sitting for a gcd waiting to hit that death sweep. also haste helps with resource generation so to me I find haste critically important