Looking forward to a proper Alliance Expansion

You know, where the Alliance leader does heinous war crimes (while the players have no say in the matter, and no avenue to oppose the warcrimes) and we spend the entire expansion killing their people and sieging their cities for it.

WoW really is due for some Alliance bias, it has been too Horde-focused for far too long.

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I’d LOVE to commit some warcrimes against the horde and be the bad guy.

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Looks at OP’s faction

Yep, checks out.

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You mean BFA where alliance full on attacked a neutral kingdom and murdered their king because he wouldn’t give his daughter up as a slave?

Alliance is allowed to do whatever it wants

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That’s not at all what happened. Talanji was captured with Zul, who was wanted by BOTH Horde and Alliance, as were the Zandalari in general, for their attempted global conquest and allying with the Mogu in MoP.

Because of this, the Alliance fleet rightfully threw Zul and Talanji in prison when they sailed into a conflict between the Horde and Alliance looking to join the Horde. Which at any rate is utterly amusing to me, and only really a valid plot driver because neither the princess nor the king realized they had twice allied their kingdom to the Mogu and become global enemy #1.

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Not gonna happen. The Alliance are the good guys. The Horde are the bad guys.

The Horde is evil. Evil does evil things.
The Alliance is good. Good fights evil and does good things.

Trolls, undead, orcs, goblins…… all evil all the time.

This is all very straight forward.

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Don’t worry, the horde has been absolved of being the evil faction so many times I’m sure they’ll retcon the whole Teldrassil thing and make it so someone burned it down with a grease fire or something.

Then there’ll be an entire expansion of shaming the Alliance for not just killing all the orcs off at the end of the second war.

And thus has the big army always called the little army, throughout history.

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Y’all wanna swap?

We can be good guys.

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Bruh, don’t correct people wrongly

Good and evil are absolute. The concepts are easy to define and see in practice.

Moral relativism is hooey.

The alliance did get the villain bat during the War Within briefly. :baseball::robot:

I’m not, that is indeed what happened, did you not play through the expansion Horde side? Or pay attention to literally anything since MoP?

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She was traveling with Zul, she wasn’t captured by him

She was then kidnapped by the alliance, who the horde rescued

And according to the book, we literally did the entire alliance BFA story before the horde even showed up, so he full on attacked zandalar for the idea that they might join the horde

I never said she was… you’re misreading.

And y’know… for priorly attempting global domination with the Mogu and becoming wanted dead by both the Horde and the Alliance?

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The Draenei currently have a Planet Body Count of 2 (Argus & Draenor).

The Night Elves gave it a good run to try and even the score, but their attempt to destroy Azeroth only blew up the surface. We’ll give them 1/2 a Planet Body Count for that.

So, Planet Body Count:
Alliance races: 2.5
Horde races: 0

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yeah that particular timeline decision made no sense to me. and it directly contradicts the ingame cutscene showing the decision for the Alliance to go to Kul Tiras in the first place.

someone smarter than me, feel free to break it down in a way that makes sense.

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I am misreading

But the alliance wasn’t at war with Zandalar, so we full on just kidnapped their princess because we thought it’d be a good idea

Plus Zuls role in pandaria wasn’t really known since he did it all from the shadows

We had no reason to just see a Zandalari ship and just immediatly kidnap the princess and kill whoever else was on board

The Zandalari in Pandaria were also not associated with Zandalar proper, according to Lorewalker Cho’s story.

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