Recuperator nerfed.
Rogues are perfect!
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I mean seriously, its just insulting now…
they need to at least tell us if anything is planned
the class is in such a butthole brown place, like why the silence?
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did they fix reapplication bug at least?
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Just remove the talent if they are not going to fix the bug.
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Does this go for stealth as well?
They can’t fix the bug so they nerf it hoping no one will take the talent.
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I guess they assume that no one uses ER haha.
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lol what i can say? realz just hates us
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I am afraid to say this but they burned out the poor person. BlizZard needs a team or teamwork to fix classes.
Funny you didn’t mention the fact that it is now a literal capstone, as in BOTTOM 3 ROWS level of the talent tree. In what god forsaken world is that nerfed talent even remotely worthy of being in the bottom of the tree? That decision was made by someone who has no clue of how objectively terrible and pointless that talent was in a rogues overall survivability.
Not to mention the fact that most rogue people are fairly certain that it doesn’t even function properly, and to put it in the bottom 3 rows, blocking Echoing Reprimand is absolutely ridiculous.
I didnt even think almost anyone was taking the talent, and they went and nerfed a dead talent that was already broken to begin with. Their nerfs to things no one takes makes zero sense. I feel like their dev team just pulls up a sheet of random abilities and sees what it does, and thinks “absolutely f#$# not” even though its never used.
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They probably don’t have anything to replace it with, so they just nerf it to death so no one takes it and reports it as broken.
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We said we did not like everything based off of shadow dance skills for every spec. So they ripped it away and are now punishing us for questioning their grand vision by making us all suffer with an unplayable class.
One could give them the benefit of the doubt that it’s not vengeance. But at this point they have done it so many times that the pattern is clear.
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Lol, what?!
You said yourself, and I quote, “We said we did not like everything based off of shadow dance skills for every spec.”
Then you acknowledge they took that very feedback and removed it, but already, rather than say that removed it, we go right into the ramped up and victim-ridden terminology of having it “ripped” away…
Then we go on to claim being “punished.” Characterize our feedback as “questioning their grand vision,” which I would love to see a single, even tiny amount of evidence to support the devs;
1: have a vision at all
2: think its grand
3: care if anyone gives constructive feedback
4: are vindictive enough to punish the customers they rely on for their livelihood
5: have supervisors who would let them
The class is also far from “unplayable.” Sin still feels fun to me. As much as people want to moan and criticize, you sure seem to be making it hard to fix it with vague feedback like that. As messed up as Outlaw and Sub are too, do you think that’s seriously a single developer’s fault? You make it seem like they are some batman villain stewing in a lair devising ways to frustrate you personally. Do you not see how absurd that sounds?
My point is, you need to take a step back. You are way too far into this if you are convinced the developers have bizarre agendas other than pleasing their bosses. It’s a job. If they are angry or upset, it’s likely due to this kind of toxic insistence on misunderstanding who the real villains are here.
I’ll give you a hint. It’s corporate. It’s always corporate. Developers don’t get to call the shots. They don’t get to pick the budgets, the deadlines. You’re anger is misplaced.
I admit my phrasing may have been extreme. But I have seen this play out many many times in the past.
Let me get you a sandwich and a drink, I think you may have reacted to this far more than intended.
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I agree 100%.
BlizZard is lost in regards with class design. They went half way but they didn’t follow through.
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Sadly I have been in the back rooms many a time and have listened to the high bosses speak. I don’t think it’s the devs as much as I think it those above them making them do things in the simple cheap ways. Sorta a “give them what they want and let them discover how wrong they are” sort of thing.
Those above rarely look at details that are not interesting to them.
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They removed shadow dance to promote build diversity for Assassination and Outlaw but Assassination and Outlaw are still heavily reliant on stealth and where are the builds that do not rely on stealth for Assassination and Outlaw?
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Yeah the team did this to Unholy in Legion, Unholy and Frost in BFA, Frost in SL (killed every build but Breath, which also indirectly killed breath) and backed off Unholy in DF, though frost was garbage all expac till leggo. The reason being exclusively the DK community.
I was ok with dance. The other stuff was too much (looking at you Sepsis/Flagellation) and I wish the class would have been tuned to function w/o gimmik. After looking at the Frost/Unholy reworks for TWW and the Spriest rework in DF I know the team can make specs good in their own right w/o reliance on weird malarky.
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