LOL Catalyst Tier

[Shadyus-thrall]

Whew ty for being a typical representative of this game community. Winner in all aspects and joyful LOL. Another reason to disengage and uninstall.

[Melisity-sargeras]

@Rainsóng-area-52

Tier should ALWAYS give your best stats as it always has.

No it hasn’t. Since when was that ever the case?

[Holigreen-bleeding-hollow]

As a mage player, I don’t feel you’re allowed to complain… your class has been S tier since day 1. Hard to feel sympathy for a poor drop.

[Lillyanñ-wyrmrest-accord]

@Battlemaster-stormrage

pvp

Oh. That I wouldn’t know then so fair enough.

[Nátorián-thrall]

@Rainsóng-area-52

I am converting this into a why are you giving terrible stats on tier pieces complaint.

Does your gear play the game for you too?

[Arlifrex-moon-guard (Arlifrex)]

@Mokrawr-area-52

No, not at all.
Food banks are a vital program that helps people in need. Calling it a handout is disrespectful. Already enough stigma around people reaching out for help in the form of social programs.

While I agree with the overall point. Giving things to people in need is the definition of a handout. It’s just that term has been stigmatized for too long.

[Liizzy-wyrmrest-accord]

hate to break it to ya but back in the day some BIS wasnt tier pieces

[Cleavex-ashkandi]

Wow you really have no idea what you’re talking about do you? When it comes to PvP at least. Tier is so unfathomably broken for some specs in PvP that people are using lfr tier pieces over rival/duelist PvP gear.

So yes, atm you DO use “raid” gear in PvP.

[Marla-westfall]

and if you don’t like people providing feedback just skip the threads

[Marla-westfall]

pretty sure not all three spec of mages have the same secondary stats as best

[Lanamuffin-area-52]

I’m not going to go into each point over and over. But you’re objectively wrong. Gear entered into the Catalyst is destroyed and the output is raid tier; not PVP tier, not m+ gear, none of that. The gear you’re receiving is SOTF tier and corresponding SOFT tier stats. It keeps tertiary/slot and upgrade pathing, which is unique to this new process. But it’s not PVP gear or anything else. It’s raid gear end of story.

At this point you’re just trolling.

[Profien-malganis]

Your best stats? So how will the game determine which stats you need most at the time? Not all pieces EVER had all the stats you want. The bonuses far outweigh the stats anyways. Btw I got a piece of tier in my vault every week except last week and week before. Yesterday I got 2 pieces with a IQD in there and yes I do have a screenshot of it lmao.

[Kalaen-black-dragonflight (Kalaen)]

@Lanamuffin-area-52

It specifically gives you raid tier, and those stats are generally locked in. Complain elsewhere. If you don’t like the system, don’t like the vault, don’t like the gear you get from drops, don’t like the gear you can craft, don’t like the gear you can buy, then you’re not going to like anything and you’re miserable. Don’t play the game.

You legitimately sound more miserable than OP.
Some people got boned by all those systems, it’s not the players’ fault. Grow up.

[Lanamuffin-area-52]

It’s a video game. Nobody is getting “boned” because their gear stats are less than ideal lol.

[Oceanspell-garona]

The system is fine.

It’s the most flexible tier system we’ve ever had and people will cry over it.

Am frost mage, love the tier bonus, don’t mind the mastery. If you hate it, optimize on the rest of your pieces.

A small amount of mastery is still relatively competitive with haste/vers. In fact, a little mastery can surpass haste with ~25-30% haste if you are using the meta necro + slick ice in the raid.

[Kalaen-black-dragonflight (Kalaen)]

@Lanamuffin-area-52

It’s a video game. Nobody is getting “boned” because their gear stats are less than ideal lol.

You angrily laundry listed all the things, not just stats. Backpeddling is certainly a sign of cowardice

[Ingvaeonic-dalaran]

Blizz doesn’t care about stats, it’s randomly chosen by the system. They attempt to push the whole “stats don’t matter” narrative when they most certainly do.

It’s all about #timeplayed.

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

@Lanamuffin-area-52

I’m not going to go into each point over and over. But you’re objectively wrong.

“I don’t have an actual point to what I’m saying because I chose my words poorly” in a nutshell, ladies and gents.

@Lanamuffin-area-52

Gear entered into the Catalyst is destroyed and the output is raid tier; not PVP tier, not m+ gear, none of that. The gear you’re receiving is SOTF tier and corresponding SOFT tier stats. It keeps tertiary/slot and upgrade pathing, which is unique to this new process. But it’s not PVP gear or anything else. It’s raid gear end of story.

Calling it raid gear implies it comes from the raid, yes? As in, does not drop elsewhere, yes?

So why can I have M+/PvP pathing on tier this season? Could it be because tier isn’t a raid gear thing this season like it used to be?!

[Lanamuffin-area-52]

@Illaandra-gilneas

Calling it raid gear implies it comes from the raid, yes? As in, does not drop elsewhere, yes?

No. Calling it raid gear described what it is, not where it came from. It’s raid gear coming from the Creation Catalyst. Once your brain is able to comprehend this, we can move the conversation forward.

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

@Lanamuffin-area-52

Calling it raid gear described what it is

Except it isn’t.

@Lanamuffin-area-52

not where it came from

So I can just call whatever gear whatever I want as long as I imply some loose chain of non-logic to it? Cool!