“I’m not going to take anyone else’s word about what PvP realms have always been like, even if they have specific numbers to back it up and I have no reason to think they’re lying” is…well, if I said any of the examples that come to mind, I’d be responsible for derailing this thread with politics. Just don’t expect it to be treated as a logical approach.
This post is full of so much win. Sadly, the majority of the forum community argues via ad hominem attacks, alot of “ifs”, (meaning it could be that way, but probably isn’t-but they’re hoping you miss that lol; “buts”, “yeah well you” This will fall on deaf ears, but you gave many of us a chuckle. Thank you for trying, OP. 
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And the problem has been isolated.
This ain’t Mario, it’s a huge complex monster of a game. I have played for years and still run up on things I forgot about and have to look up. The latest example of that is the mallet for ZF. Good luck finding it without research.
This PVP issue really doesn’t require much thought. We play this game for entertainment. You are unhappy about what your choice turned into.
You’re not losing work, time, or anything else that matters. Any time spent playing this game was specifically for entertainment. You can park your PVP toon and not lose anything. Roll a PVE toon and enjoy the game again. Return to that mess on PVP periodically to see if it has changed into something acceptable to you.
The point is to enjoy the time you waste playing this game, and yes it’s a waste of time. Or you can continue hoping Blizzard changes it’s 15 year old stance about life on PVP servers.
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No, no “buts”. There’s a reason Gankfest Servers no longer exist, in Retail 
No arrogance involved. I tend to operate on logic, and approach issues as such. Everything I said has some kind of provable background and none of it is an emotional approach to the topic at hand. I am not right or wrong, I didn’t create the facts, I simply presented them as they are.
Official information? No, but enough anecdotal information from Vanilla is available to make a reasonable estimate. People may have grown and changed, tastes along with them, but the racials and benefits of said racials have not.
Complaining will not fix the issue. Rerolling will. You’re basically saying “well, we poured the foundation for our house over this salt mine and even though the ground is collapsing, if we build somewhere else it’ll waste all of this concrete so let’s just keep building where we are”. This is my entire point.
Enjoyment is an emotional response. You will note my OP involved no emotional statements. This was intentional.
If you or others failed to seek out the information, you’re facing a problem you could have easily avoided. “Players rolling on a PvP server to PvP either got what they wanted, or ignored available faction balance information.”
This is done constantly in the real world. You cannot simply say “well, the information we have isn’t completely accurate so we should just ignore it”. Failure to take anecdotal information into account when making a decision is the fault of the one making the decision.
All of this said, I do find the back-and-forth interesting in this thread. There are a lot more supporters than I expected, which is appreciated.
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So when you said Classic players ignored the available faction balance information, you meant meant anecdotal information from Vanilla?
Players use the forums to bring attention to their issues.
Then, Blizzard might fix something.
Devs never hid the fact the honor system was coming out, nor did they hide the fact BGs would come out after honor. Just because you get used to a thing does not mean that thing becomes “broken” when something is intentionally introduced that alters the variables involved.
In addition, those on a PvP server supposedly claim to like world PvP, not BGs. I do not think these issues will be reduced nearly as much as you expect with the introduction of a type of PvP that is the antithesis of what a PvP server stands for. I could be wrong, though. Though if you do turn out to be correct and BGs do help as much as you hope, it is still proof that nothing needs to be “fixed” and that the current complaints are pointless.
And personal attacks say more about you than they do me. I don’t know you, nor do you know me, so they are completely pointless.
Yes.
No; You are projecting your knowledge and assumptions onto others, tainting your assumptions and therefore tainting your conclusions. Why would people seek specific information without being aware of it’s existence? Further, how could they?
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The fact of the matter remains that faction specific queues have literally no downsides to them except adding a queue to players who already have an unfair advantage.
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OP ignores:
- That while ratios of players may be expected from history; effect of these mega servers on player density in zones compared to vanilla is drastically different.
I have only played pvp servers, and my first toons were ally on horde dominated servers. But density wasn’t an issue, yeah, you’d get ganked more, and it wasn’t “fair”, but you could play around it much more. In classic now, you can’t play smart and around it much on the heavily skewed servers.
- As stated, I’ve only played pvp servers before, both dominate side and weak side, so, as you can see from my character choice, I went for the easy route on first character based upon what was known.
However, I could not anticipate when I joined anathema that it would be heavily alliance dominated (largely due to transfers from other realms I believe). And now, every time I’ve logged in to try and level, I’ve been immediately ganked and camped in the level appropriate zones.
So, even with this info, the system creates this issue.
This blame the players on the “lesser” side concept is BS.
The truth is:
No system for faction balance + releasing honor system without BGs + megaservers = this mess we have now.
Addressing any of the above issues would have tempered the extremes we are seeing now, making for a more enjoyable experience for all. Because players are not psychics and could not foresee how each individual server would turn out.
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Classic WPvP is neckbeard paradise. Why any non-neckbeard would willingly participate is beyond me. I get why the idea of Classic WPvP is compelling…with proper supervision it should be really fun…but I have to agree with OP in that the imbalance and associated issues were predicted well in advance of the expected incel takeover of most PvP servers.
As much as it sucks, the only recourse is unsub or reroll. Blizzard isn’t likely to make changes at this point…and to be fair, why waste resources fixing a known, expected issue that was warned against? As "meme-ey’ as it is, whats happening is ‘PvP on a PvP server’. I mean, we all know it isn’t really PvP but trolls gonna troll. I suppose if I had never been on a date I’d be a lvl60 UD rogue camping a FP too…ya take what pleasure you can get!
Despite having to cope with the stigma of being a “care bear”, PvE is a much better way to spend money and time under the current regime. I respect the people trying to make sensible change but especially under the watch of “#nochange” you really are fighting an uphill battle. Just roll PvE, its a better classic experience.
Edit: I spent like 30 mins one night voluntarily flagged in Hillsbrad one night…healed a few guys, got smoked like 5 times…went back to unmolested questing. Was awesome…
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