This will make an entire group of players unsub if it is not fixed soon. i won’t play much longer if this continues.
Every class out shines the lock in every type of content.
In raiding we are at best middle of the pack with one spec but every other class is has at least 1 or two specs that are better. You also have to have the PERFECT azerite combo to even be in the middle of the pack. If you don’t have CC rolling havoc and flashpoint then you are going to be lower than middle of the pact. again all other classes have at least 1 or 2 specs that greatly out perform the lock.
In dungeons locks are the worst class to bring. You will not do higher than 15’s and people will literally tell u to re-roll if you want to play in m+ content. the only worse specs in m+ conent are the other two specs of warlock. you have terrible aoe damage and you only contribute to boss damage and that is not even a factor to consider since m+ bosses are not even the real challenge in m+. you have no interrupt worth using. Your aoe stun takes longer to cast then it takes mobs to cast there spell or ability.
Aff - gutted to the core and only is good when you completely outgear the content and its on farm so all that matters is a single target burst damage. you are not even the best class, you can only get close to the other classes for your dps. aff is the worst aoe spec in the game by a lot. a lot a lot. once you see mythic content and more adds and multiple targets come into play you will quickly be the lowest dps person on the team and if there are enough adds you can be out dps’d by the tanks
Destruction - got gutted last tier and they still feel bad to play. your best trinkets come from 8.2 so if you already don’t have the mythic trinkets from last raid tier then you are forever behind and cannot catch up. destro is the best spec to play of the threeand at its very best you are middle of the pack. you must have perfect azerite for this as well. if not well… your back to being low on the dps charts. since there is so much movement and so many adds in this tier and in m+ your best options for dps are based on random procs of something u can’t control. VOP. it doesn’t even feel good when you get the procs. its laughable and feels cheesy and you cant rely on it. you might proc over and over and get real good dps or like normal you don’t get procs and you are middle of the pack at best.
demo - fun to play if you don’t mind being out dps by every class and every spec in the entire game in every piece of content. super dependent on random dps procs even more than VOP destro. if you can’t stand still and just do damage then you shouldn’t play or even consider demo. here is how fights go with any movement… you start to cast a spell… and then melee kill the target and you have to move forward. rinse repeat. in raids it feels so terrible that you can’t even compete. its just bad. its the most fun you will have playing unless you have to do any movement and don’t mind competing with tanks for dps. its a meme
locks feel bad to play. i spent so much time to only have the locks feel gutted. it doesn’t matter how well or how good i am at playing the lock it won’t make me do any more damage since most of it is random procs. as aff you are gutted this tier and feel terrible to play in raid and in m+. aff is terrible. demo is only good where u can stand still and not move and if u like gambling play demo cuz its rng heavy. destro the only class that feels worthy of playing is still dependent on rng.
i don’t have fun playing as a lock. i can’t compete in raiding, im terrible in dungeons and its not fun to have an entire class gutted to oblivion.
Not going to lie… DH’s stole this warlock too. As someone who’s played afflock since vanilla it’s really painful to play right now as bad as it feels. the class is the very definition of one trick pony right now for the most part.
I play demo because it’s the most fun spec to play. Not raiding this tier because of cloak and corruption gear so I don’t care about the dps. I’m just having fun and that is all that matters. And I miss my little purple wings the DH stole.
I’ve wanted to enjoy Warlock but it’s really meh to play. Not even looking at high end viability for end-game content. I genuinely dislike how they play.
You are spot on. they are meh to play and the fun is gutted every patch and they are worse and worse and after you spend hundreds of hours into a class and for it to play like this makes u reconsider playing the game
Unfortunately it’s where I am now. I wanted to give 8.3 a try but now that sub lapsed again. I honestly have no reason to resub if only to combat my boredom. That’s not enough to keep playing specs that feel just bad in general.
Demo lock feels like it’s by far the hardest DPS to perform on, the room for error in rotation is tiny and results in a massive loss.
It doesnt feel good when the highest skill cap spec in the game gets outshined by a 2 button spec (DH) who is better in absolutely every way (single target, AOE, Mobility, CC.)
Legion’s warlock redesign was to remove any trace Xelnath left on the game and it’s an absolute wonder that they even brought emberbits back to destruction(lets be real, they’re burning embers, not soul shards).
Warlocks haven’t been fun since then and it’s been severely affecting my enjoyment of the game.
Demo is super fun when u don’t have to move. as soon as u add movement ur the worst spec in the game. its also super rng dependant meaning if u get the rng u do ok at best and if u don’t like 90% of the time ur meh. the RP the play is fun. but everything takes forever to cast and it just lacks its feel of worthy impact. but it is complicated at first and super simple as u get to know it better. aff is by far the most complex rotation requiring a 16 cast opener before u hit ur cd’s and enter ur normal rotation
This isn’t about numbers. This is about how the class feels to play. People seem to struggle to separate the two. Afflock has done OK numbers wise since beta, but it’s felt like garbage the entire time.
Funny my experience is the opposite. I leveled a warlock 1-120 horde side, now leveling a void elf but I find it one of the most fun classes in the game. Its definitely my favorite range spec (my favorite melee is blood/unholy DK).
Eh some don’t feel as bad, my DH, and Assassin Rogue don’t feel bad. But yeah my rogue used to be Sub… and that feels worse. But if blizz isn’t willing to fix it, they should at least know about it.
As a shadow priest I too wish people could look past numbers to the tonnes of gameplay and design issues that plague various classes and specs in BFA. Are Shadow’s mechanical problems suddenly more valid than they were in EP because we aren’t pulling the numbers? I’d think not, and the same goes for any other class or spec feeling let down by their design and playstyle in BFA.
Warlocks might not be fun to you, but they’re at very least A teir in PvP and PvE, not much to outshine.
My Warlock is my second most played character over the past 15 years, and I still quite enjoy it. Not that I wouldn’t like to see some improvements made to Affliction/Demo. But it is easier said than done.
False. The whole point of this game is to acquire the best gear to make your numbers bigger. This is why we have websites dedicated to checking your parses, addons to track your damage output/healing. Addons to sim your gear and guides from theorycrafter/mythic raiders telling people which is the best azerite, essence, corruptions, talents to pick for optimal efficiency for your spec/class.
This is why you see world first guilds and mythic/Heroic stacking certain classes to overcome a dps check mechanic. WoW has always been a number simulator masked by cartoon graphics but this logic could be applied to literally every game tbh.
