It was in the middle to end of WoD and the beginning of Legion. When the Legion came back Khadgar was essentially “We need Dalaran to save Azeroth” and Jaina was like “No, Horde is evil!” and then there was a weird stand off followed by Jaina essentially backing off and leaving, refusing to help fight the Legion. Arthas was never on the Council. Aethas Sunreaver was. And they just kinda kicked him off and never mentioned it again. But yeah, all the Sunreavers were Blood Elves. Since Blood Elves were part of the Horde, and Dalaran was a member of The Alliance and nominally a Human Kingdom, Aethas leveraged his position on the Council to petition for a place for The Horde in Wrath of the Lich King. But all the Sunreavers abandoned the city in MOP. They also didn’t return to Dalaran for Legion either. Since the Sunreaver enclave was taken over by Forsaken and the Silver covenant Enclave was taken over by Gilneans. But this seems to have reversed for TWW as the Silver Covenant and Sunreavers seem to be back. Not sure how or why that happened, and as far as I know it was simply never explained. Magister appears to be an Elf Honorific and doesn’t relate to Dalaran as far as I know. The appelation for members of the Council seem to be Arch Mage.
The Council itself seems to change quite a bit, with members coming and going without any real explanation or backstory.
Current members:
Ansirem Runeweaver
Kalec for some reason?
Karlain
Khadgar
Modera
Drendan?
Drendan seems to have taken Vargoth’s place, although he was apparently already a member during the Second War and randomly wasn’t for a long time? Jaina and Aethas seem to have lost their seats to Karlain and Khadgar, although Jaina’s seat originally was Rhonin’s. Kalec seems to have taken Krasus’ place. IDK, Council succession seems to shift based on how much the devs actually remember and seems to involve a lot of shoehorning random main characters into the Archmage roles for various story reasons.
It’s worth noting that Khadgar, Kalec and Jaina had no designs on Dalaran until after Theramore. Khadgar was in Outland and Jaina was in Theramore. Kalec wasn’t even a member of the Kirin Tor at that time. It wasn’t until after the deaths of Rhonin and Krasus that all three were spurred to action. Kalec joined the Kirin Tor because he felt guilty. Jaina joined the Council because she wanted to destroy the Horde and Khadgar joined the Council because too much had happened while he was doing nothing in Outland. Karlain was a comics character elevated at some point after Wrath.
Kalec was on the council as a representative of the Blue Dragonflight. Given what happened in Wrath between the Kirin Tor and the Blues it made sense. He is also no longer on the council as of Dragonflights end. Since he is now full time aspect of Magic again and is now leading a reunited Blue Dragonflight.
Has been dead since WC3. Xal’atath was posing as him to undermine Dalaran. There was a cinematic about this. How did you miss it?
I’m well aware Drendan was dead. I was however not trying to spoil it for people new to the expansion. Drendan being missing and then resuming his position on the Council was simply never explained. Since the spot he seems to have taken belonged to Vargoth from Cata up until Legion. It’s highly likely that the seat Vargoth was filling belonged to Drendan originally. Although again this is never explained.
As for Kalec, I always thought the idea that the Council “needed” to have a dragon on it was dumb. But then again I never liked Krasus either.
Or “he” simply took Kalecs seat. As Kalec resigned from his position around the same time.
Krasus did it to act as a spy for the Red Dragonflight, to have an inside guy looking onto the politics of the Alliance. Which following the second war was important because of Deathwings schemes and that Alexstrasza was still imprisoned by the Dragonmaw. No-one on the council knew he was a dragon. Kalec on the other hand, as I mentioned was the representative of the blue dragonflight because of the Nexus War. You know, the war where the Blue Dragonflight tried to wipe out ALL mages that didn’t swear loyalty to Malygos. One would think having a direct line of communication between the new leader of the Blue Dragonflight and the leaders of the Kirin Tor would be a good thing. So having said leader of the blue dragonflight be on the council is a logical move. To avoid something like the Nexus War from happening again.
If people are coming to the Story Forums, I don’t think they care about getting spoiled. If they are, they shouldn’t come to the forums that lore discussions happen. Which of course will contain spoilers.
We have no idea. They weren’t clear on those details, just that Jaina ordered the Purge, and then with WoD Khadgar was having his fellow Kirin Tor working with the Horde. Jaina made it clear that she and others weren’t happy with this, but Khadgar didn’t really care. Modera was also willing to work alongside the Horde too…
Khadgar didn’t kick Jaina out. He called for a vote to allow the Horde back into Dalaran, which passed with a 4 - 2 vote. While Ansirem Runeweaver remained, Jaina chose to leave in protest.
Nope. Magister just indicted he was a member of the Magisters, the Blood Elf mage group that is headed by Grand Magister Rommath. The council that leads Dalaran is the Council of Six.
All we know is most of them blamed Aethas for it. As far as we can tell, until it became neccesary the rest of the council didnt have any particular qualms about the exile and only reinducted the Sunreavers out of neccesity.
I saw that. I guess my take was different. It can also be read as; he needed the Horde and he just didn’t care about what his “good friend” had done to them. (And Blizzard just wrote them willing to bend a knee to ask to come back to place they had been purged, so he didn’t have to care.). There was never one word or reaction about the actual purge. But then the simplest explanation is typical Blizzard amnesia over anything negative about the Alliance.
How do we know that Khadgar was in Outland?
Right. Get those switched a lot.
Don’t think that’s true. Aside from the fact that, if was part of the Alliance, why did Andean have to request Jaina to bring it into the Alliance, there is the whole “you violated the neutrality of the city” thing. But then the whole issue was total hypocrisy.
I’ve heard reference to “Sunreavers” since then, but I don’t recall where. The “Windrunner” enclave could indicate it being taken over by the Forsaken, or by her as the Warchief. Its not clear why the other is the “Greyfang” enclave other than his launching attacks on the Horde.
I’m pretty sure he says it. But also… He was physically there. As far as the story goes, he didn’t return to Azeroth until the Iron Horde hijacked the Azeroth side of the portal.
Because he is physically there in Shattrah. He was also trapped on Draenor when it became Outland because he was the one who shut down the Dark portal on Draenors end at the end of Beyond the Dark portal.
Khadgar returned to Azeroth sometime before MoP. Tides of War says he was a member of the Council of Six when Jaina asked the Kirin Tor for aid against Garrosh.
Being Antonidas’ apprentice helped. I think we also need to remember that Dalaran is an Alliance city and a human kingdom. Despite what they did for story reasons, it staying neutral was always going to be temporary at best. Many influential mages of Dalaran literally fought in the Second War against the Horde. Honestly what surprises me is how many agreed to Rhonin’s proposal.
Strom is short hand for Stromgarde, the Quel’thalas thing was a bit of levity
Iit’s as much of a republic as the average pre-unification italian republic. It’s just a magocratic republic instead of an aristocratic one - it doesn’t have a king.
Is there anything stating anywhere that the Leadership of the Post-Sundering Kaldorei is tied to the Priestesses of Elune? Because as far as I’m concerned, Tyrande is both the co-leader of the Kaldorei AND the High Priestess of Elune. Nothing has ever said that these positions are inherently tied together.
And Tyrande didn’t choose Shandris simply because she’s her adopted daughter, but because Shandris is a essentially general of their military and has proven herself time and time again.
You really can’t have it both ways. You diminish the rights of the non-Alliance races because it is an Alliance city but demand they preserve its neutrality?
Regardless of what it was going to become. It can be both at the same time. In the end it’s neutrality was a lie.
I don’t think it should have ever been neutral. It’s an Alliance city and Human Kingdom that was directly in conflict with the Horde. Rhonin making it neutral was a forced story plot that never made sense.
It is, in fact, a different name for another defunct settlement.
Sounds like the line of succession for Night Elves, who were ruled by Tyrande simce the War of the Ancients, is literally just “Whatever Tyrande says it is.”
Presumably they had an inherited monarchy during the time of Azshara, but we don’t know of any other monarchs.