Lilian Voss's Story

Could be such an interesting counter narrative to Sylvanas.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say being raised as a weapon by a fundamentalist religious paramilitary organization didn’t make for the happiest childhood.

Though as I’m unsure how old she is (I’d wager 18 as everyone’s either that or 18,000) she might have some pleasant memories of pre plague Lordaeron. We never hear of her mother so I could see the Forsaken killing her and that being what drives Benedictus Voss over the edge.

I’m also really hope Blizz confirms my hypothesis that she was murdered via posion or in her sleep by people she trusted. Because the other fresh deaders in Deathknell clearly remember how they died. One you’ve to snap out of a panic attack because from his perspective he went from watching an Orc kill him in battle to sitting in a haunted cemetery with Swedish chicks zooming around shooting lightning at graves.

But Voss has no idea what’s going on. She hides, convinced she somehow is caught behind enemy lines, until you show her a mirror and that goes exactly as well as you’d expect. So, she was definitely dead before she knew what was happening. We get to see how the Scarlets treat anyone doubting the party line in the Conclave questline. So seems likely to me Lilian was starting to ask some pointed questions and they couldn’t risk their weapon turning against them. So they offed her then presumably her corpse was lost when the Cataclysm struck and she wound up in the Forsaken’s claws.

So after showing her her own reflection she runs off to the Scarlets who of course try to execute her. She says F that and starts a one woman suicide mission to destroy as many Scarlets and Scourge as is inhumanly possible.

Which leads her to tearing off her traitorous father’s head while going full horror movie monster;

Lilian Voss says: You raised me to be a killer. How am I doing, daddy?

High Priest Benedictus Voss says: I, ah…

Lilian Voss says: But wait… I remember now. You taught me to only kill the undead. So you do want me to kill myself, daddy?

High Priest Benedictus Voss says: Lilian, I…

Lilian Voss says: Then again, why kill myself… when I can kill YOU instead!

Lilian grabs Benedictus and climbs up the walls of the towers, strangling and killing him in the process.

It’s fantastic

Anywho from here she ironically stakes Whitemane to keep ole sadistic Sally down for good. Or at least until the KotEB use their battle rez on her. Hope she’s thankful that has a ten minute cool down. Nearly dies in Scholomance in perhaps the worst way an undead could. Turns up in Alt Draenor because she’s elected herself multiverse necromancer nullifier. Pops up in Legion as the reason the Uncrowned learn about the BL’s new homunculi spy project.

And in BFA she turns up having found some self acceptance and deciding to help out the Horde. A bit gang pressed into it but really she’s here to help out the newly risen undead so they might avoid the path of self destruction she tried to walk. She succeeds at this, Captain Stone at least seems kinda excited at this new alternative mortality opportunity, eventually.

So we’ve someone who was about as thoroughly traumatized as someone feasibly can be. But instead of, ya know treason, genocide, and allying with the Devil manages to work through it mainly via killing certified bastards. Eventually finding self acceptance and helping others like her do the same.

On its own we’ve a pretty juicy story about a woman likely betrayed by her family becoming the thing she was raised to hate with extreme prejudice. Going on a Crusade of her own against her old and new enemies that she’s clearly hoping ends when she does. And eventually making peace with her issues and having to shepard the very people she was raised to destroy in their bleakest hour.

I’d certainly read that story. But what it makes it even more interesting as now we could have a counterpoint to Sylvanas.

Idk after reading a whole book about Sylvanas being an emotional wave pool who only cares about herself and responds to immense dissapointment with suicide - I’d certainly like a story about a woman on top of her ish who actually works through their trauma and becomes a whole, functioning person despite it. She doesn’t have a piece of herself in a jar the Devil has to unlock. She put herself back together with time, patience, probably help from some friends along the way and a cool coping method called being a bastard hunting shadow assassin.

But why write a story about basically Azeroth’s answer to Batman when we’ve Calia. Oh boy I can’t wait for her to stand around pointing out the obvious.

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I’m also 100% behind that theory because there is no way she was killed in some unseen battle.

I’m wondering if this helped make Voss the Forsaken leader after Sylvanas bailed. Like she’s stepping up and helping newly raised like Stone and Thomas Zelling adjust to their new state of undeath. Which in the wake of Sylvanas going all “You all nothing” to the Forsaken would be rather soothing to them.

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I’ve always felt the Forsaken were a good representation for those sorts of people who aren’t quite all there.

Be it from circumstance of birth or developing mental illness and/or trauma later on , most other Forsaken fans I’ve met tend to have a screw loose. You don’t typically empathize with cackling corpses unless on some level, you’ve felt like that. Lord knows I’ve a scar from digging a pen’s point into my thigh because my knee jerk reaction to horror is to joke about it. Gives you some power over the situation. You frequently only have a choice over how you’ll react in this world and some of us cackle to avoid crying.

Rather sympathize with hyenas for making that horrific laughing noise when they’re stressed. Me too you magnificent cat dog carrion eaters. Ditto with the Forsaken.

So I can’t speak to everyone, but of the Forsaken players I know, we’ve people with unfortunate genetic conditions they’ve had to roll with. People who survived suicide attempts with a permanent reminders of their attempt on their flesh. And I related to them when I just had the insomnia. Now I’ve several addiction issues and a whole baggage cart full of dead friends and a lover. Weee

Suffice to say;

It’d be appreciated if they could write a character that didn’t handle horrific trauma like the daft rich girl trust fund kid she technically is.

Oh things went wrong. I could talk this out - or - I could redefine the concept of monstrous by taking the worst lessons possible from my suffering.

This is a cartoon. I don’t need one for one parallels. But any respect toward the fanbase the Forsaken seem to draw like a bug lamp would be appreciated.

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Yeah, I want, as Ive said multiple times, Lillian Voss to be the Maximus to our Gladiator. She’s the one who has to lead the forsaken precisely because she doesn’t want to.

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How come Voss was never upset with the Forsaken for being the ones to put her in this situation?

Amalia Stone wasn’t doing anything wrong, she was defending her homeland from the Horde. She was then killed and raised, and Voss took advantage of what the Horde had just done to her to gaslight her into fulfilling the Horde’s strategic goals.

I mean, the circumstance is that they kill her, raise her, then tell her “we’ve horribly mutilated you, you’ll never be accepted now, might as well join us”

This doesn’t reflect well on Voss. She essentially kidnapped and brainwashed someone via physical and emotional torture. It’s a microcosm of everything wrong about almost every “new” Forsaken character. A large chunk of them are victims not of the Scourge, but the Forsaken.

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Ainhin bring it up with the therapist you refuse to talk to. You probably would be happy with the Forsaken too. You get it. You just refuse to. Because Xoomer culture didn’t quite let you be weird yet, I wager.

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Thanks for the very normal response.

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You’ve been complaining about the same ignored topic for almost 20 years. C’mon man.

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Do you only want posts in your thread that reaffirm what you already believe? I think the questions I posed are fair ones.

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AHEM!!

Gen X coming in here to tell you that we got to be weird, sir. We got to be very weird indeed.

Do not disparage Gen X.

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So you actually liked Voss’ depiction in BFA?

They seemed to be playing this tug of war where she enjoyed being there versus actually Sylvanas pulled a mob move where she made an offer Voss could not refuse.

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Have you seen the zoomers? I use to catch hell for being a straight man who styled his hair and wore matching clothing. The same people who kicked me in the stomach for telling them to ease off the one open trans kid now put up the FB flag portrait and yell at me for having some well thought out criticisms.

And zoomers by far have it worse. All social media should be nuked. Forum chat supremacy.

Zoomers got to be weird because our pop culture made it cool. We went androgynous so they could be what they want to be. We pushed the boundaries of acceptable media so they could transform it. They followed our examples and made it the norm.

We grabbed the weird baton and ran with so we could pass it off to them to finish the race.

Don’t go trying to turn Zoomers and GenX against each other. We besties.

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I ain’t trying to I am however saying millennials trying to be just basically decent got the ish smacked out of them.

Granted I’m good at dodging and had a penchant for vengance. Yes Todd it was me. I pretended everything was cool while paying close attention to your locker combination. I stole your wallet and fancy calculator and threw what I couldn’t use into the Chicago River. I broke into your house and stole all your parents DvDs and sold them for EDM tickets and ecstasy money.

Ah. Sorry I’m apparently using this as a confession booth.

Sorry.

It took a while for our influence to be strong enough to force the Boomers out of the way enough for change to happen. And it’s an ongoing process as they die off. We did not get there soon enough to help your generation.

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Me, an elder millenial :eyes:

It’s all good. Monday is my version of Sunday is Monday and now I’m drunk staggering about leering at the obscenity of a house I had to break bread in.

Leering bastards. Oh I’m just so entertaining. I’m too close to rob you blind and have too many responsibilities to signal to anyone.

But a decade ago? Good God. Would’ve made off like vandals. And every single red cent would’ve been deserved. Bunch of daft old money pieces of hippo chocolate.

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Your weird is particularly bad. Your parents are mostly to blame for how effed up you are. How did one of the most peaceful and prosperous times in American history result in such a Freudian nightmare?

We cannot be friends if you think that way, Maw.

Simply cannot be.

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I dont mean you’re bad for being weird. I mean that TLC straight up taught abstinence only sex ed on MTV, because gen X was raised to be horrified of AIDS. Like, one of the most normal and healthy parts of growing up became so buried in shame and fear that gen X couldnt have been anything but traumatized.