It’s garbage for the most part anyway.
I use DPS trinkets for solo delve play, but raids and groups I’ll run with healing trinkets. Sometimes in small groups I’ll use a DPS/healing combo of trinkets.
In delves, all 3 of my ring gems are devoted to DPS though. It really adds up after a while.
The difficulty isn’t enough at a t8 to award hero track. It might be fine difficulty wise but it’s not difficult enough for most reward.
You mean you can’t refute facts?
Maps are guaranteed now. And doing 3T11s + your map is 31 gilded crests a week, which 60 of can be used to upgrade a crafted item to 675. This doesn’t cost very much gold either. So that’s a 675 item every 2 weeks to match your spark acquisition.
Ultimately delves T11s are the easiest content that awards gilded crests, by a long way.
T8-11 delves are the easiest content that awards runed crests, by a long way.
And they’re the easiest content that awards hero track and champ track items, by a decent way.
To put it bluntly, the whole “blazing through Delves at low ilvl” isn’t the issue. The reality is that were Delves to appropriately reward people with gear for the supposed difficulty rating, doing a T8 at ilvl 584 shouldn’t even be possible.
It should be mathematically impossible to do that without exploits, at which point said exploits should be fixed. As it stands, the reality is that newly maxxed out characters just need time, if even that, to do a Tier 8.
No other gamemode that rewards Heroic gear at such a level functions like that.
If Delves were appropriately rewarding people with gear, this wouldn’t be possible.
Personally I don’t have that many issues with Delves and they are for the most part in a good place. The way that they handle things are a net benefit for the players whilst not being overall that harmful to the game’s overall health, although we will have to wait and see if it gets worsened or not (Season 2 has been worse for the game’s overall health than what Season 1 was for an example).
But Delves without a question provide disproportionately more gear for their supposed difficulty-rating than any other activity in the game. That’s not even a question but literally just mathematics, making it an objective fact.
Also, just gonna put this here:
Snoz is objectively correct in this regard. Delves are negatively impacting the game’s overall health considering how WoW is a gearing based MMO with multiple difficulties. One can discuss the net-positive or net-negative effect, but it is an unquestionable fact that Delves provide more gear than what their difficulty should.
You can disagree all you want, but then you are just disagreeing with objective reality… rather than discussing whether it is worth it or not, which is the only thing one can realistically discuss.
Youre literally proving our point.
The fact you can finish a t8 in 584 gear which was under geared in season 1 shows that.
No one is taking a 584 player to heroic raid
See I feel like mythic+ and raid players get so hyper focused on the mythic gear that they forget: even T11 only rewards champion gear.
Champion is normal raid difficulty.
So let’s do your comparison. I completed 8 delves, let’s assume 3-4 were bountiful.
That is 3-4 champion items and 1 hero track items out of the vault.
A raider completes a heroic raid. That is 9 (I think) bosses, now gear competition is much higher for this so let’s assume you win at least 1 item.
That is 2 hero track items
Now of course the delver could do mythic+ and raiding too, sure. That gets them more gear assuming they have the skill/knowledge to get an invite. But so can the raider, they can go do 8 delves.
At the end of the day raiding is rewarding more of the most rewarding gear than a delve will. But what about maps? That’s an extra heroic item! The odds of a map dropping are about the same as you winning more than 1 piece during a raid or dungeon. So, it balances out though a lucky delver could end up with extra heroic gear.
Seriously my main that I have put all my effort into gearing (delves exclusively) is 650 Ilvl. That seems not far off from where most casual raiders are. I don’t see the issue in the gearing process for delve mains.
And I see all the other responses, don’t have time to get into each, but it’s also proving my point on how you are all calculating to absolute maximum amount of reward possible each week when the average player just doesn’t have time for that. Delves feel really good for the casual player base and shouldn’t change, thats my stance on it.
It’s hard to have a conversation with someone that doesn’t even understand how their mode awards gear.
Delve only players get
2 guaranteed hero pieces a week
1 guaranteed mythic craft every two weeks
Guaranteed gear for every single run.
Heroic raiders may get one to two pieces a week.
So delves get more gear while having less difficulty.
You don’t even realize you’re guaranteed two hero pieces a week. One from scrambler and one from vault.
You’re guaranteed one map every week.
It’s pretty clear you “don’t have time” because you really don’t know much about delves or raiding and thus can’t refute the valid points made.
Thought delvers could get 3 maps per week by grouping with others?
I don’t know if that’s possible.
I know if one person uses a scrambler everyone gets a hero piece.
But I only do my delves solo so I can’t comment if it caps at 3 maps
Exactly what Vladinov said, what else do solo players & delvers want? Being able to craft lets say. a weapon would take 2 weeks play time for 60 gilded (if upgrading previous crests) or 3 week play time without upgrading crests.
Also there’s trinkets that are quite STRONG from delves, even being 665 some are comparable to 678 trinkets damage wise.
Delves in their current form are FINE.
Its 31 a week, crafting is 60. So 2 weeks even without needing to unlock trade up.
If you’ve only done delves since week 1 you should be roughly 660 ilvl right now, and unlocking the ability to trade up runed crests into gilded in the next week or two.
I’m currently progging mythic gallywix and I’m only 668…
Orange is the new purple.
It seems to me a portion of delvers complaining about the loot are not fully understanding the system. If they did they’d realize what they’re demanding is unreasonable.
Yep!
Next week I’ll have my crafted cape and my champ bracers will be fully upgraded. 
I still see people in delve chat saying they don’t bother with anything higher than 8s because its all the same for the vault (and they don’t m+ or raid for gilded) so yeah there’s a lot of people who just don’t know.
I’d like to see your proof.
100%.
I see delvers in two categories.
Ones that have a clue and ones that don’t.
I agree. It’s a good system we have right now. It’s time gated enough to last a good while and be rewarding enough to see progress.
The people wanting pure ilvl will use the mythic crafting route but people like me who want appearances will use the catalyst then upgrade.
delves has some trinkets that are overtuned for their item level so its already got good gear in it especially if you get one of the good ones at heroic track where for some classes they compete with mythic track trinkets
I think that’s a good idea.
Delves have given amazing trinkets every season.
They are already extremely easy for the quality of gear people get in return.