Lightless Force or Sinful Revelation PvP

For Arms Warrior, what do you think?

Lightless Force Periodically sends out bolts that deals damage to 5 people cone
Sinful Revelation Periodically makes the target take 6% damage from their attacks

Sinful for single target, Lightless for AoE.

I would say yes, but not sure how much damage lightless is doing vs Sin.

Or proc rate of either.

Anyone know the PPM for both?

I was wondering if lightless force would be good for a couple reasons:

  1. Does it proc off of dots?
  2. It isn’t physical and therefor ignores armor.
  3. Can I proc it with heroic throw, spear, and shattering throw?

I’m out seeking answers too! :joy:

Sinful is better for arms it adds a flat 6% dmg buff to all abilities. Case closed. It procs off bladestorm an can hit multiple enemies an it procs a lot.

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As fury I’m using Sinful Revelation on mh and Lightless Force on oh during m+
I have procs from both
U think Celestial guidance is better than Sinful Revelation on mh?