Lightforged Draenei Warlocks

Lore Story Forum
1

The issue with Lightforged Draenei becoming Warlocks is two fold. It has been biologically shown in the Warcraft universe that Draenei “devolve” when exposed to fel. The second issue is more of a cultural one in that this whole race exists just to destroy the Burning Legion which encompasses fel and demons. They even have a racial, Demonbane, that gives them more experience for killing demons. The best and easiest solution is to not have Warlock as an available class to this race. Since I have doubts the best option will be implemented, let me propose an alternative in building the lore for supporting it.

Firstly, this combination should be locked behind a quest that explains how a Lightforged Draenei could be a Warlock. This would ensure the player has a coherent understanding of why this unthinkable combination could be allowed.

The unlock quest should contain some background that allows the Lightforged Draenei to be shielded from fel magic. Perhaps the Lightforging process in itself protects them? This would keep the Lightforged Draenei from devolving. Additionally, the demons that are summoned should be lightforged as well to show that perhaps they have converted to the light.

I’m open to any type of background, this way just seemed like the most straightforward.

6 Likes
2

Bzzz wrongo.

Blizzard has stated every class will be available to every race, as time and dev effort permit. In spite of fan fiction and head canon from people who get off pretending they are Gatekeepers.

It would be worse for Blizzard to deny a minority their ability to simply exist, because of some loud haters who are against racial inclusivity.

6 Likes
3

I don’t really understand how being against racial homogenization can be so controversial.

6 Likes
4

You can be against what ever you want.

Blizzard has made a statement about opening options for Players as far as Class options.

I do not understand the sudden outrage. Blizzard started DF with that statement. They straight up said Pallys and Druids are on the way for all races, but they take alot of Dev time.

Slow news week? Problems at home? What drives this blindness to the lore and canon and simple facts laid out before us? It is unfathomable to me that people could be so petulant and infantile about their desire to be gatekeepers.

Fortunately, I do not have to understand why the wanna be gatekeepers weep. And they do not have to understand why they are swept aside. It just is.

Imagine posting in an RPG forum and saying that Playing Roles is bad for the Game.

“You dare Play a Role in a Game that is an RPG?”

7 Likes
5

Because it’s actually been announced rather than Blizzard ‘saying’ they’re going to move in that direction.

Some of us hoped that the all classes for all races nonsense was just that. Nonsense. It wouldn’t be the first time Blizzard said we were going to get something and then changed course due to various factors. Path of the Titans, the Dance Studio, Aerial Combat, Karabor and Bladespire Citadel serving as faction capitals during Warlords of Draenor, the Abyssal Maw raid for Cataclysm. These were all things Blizzard ‘announced’ and said were coming but never did.

Now they’re pushing further into it, and it’s upsetting folks who care about the lore that this game was built on. There’s pushback now because the hope is that Blizzard will change course and say “We’ll give the Warlock class to most of the races.” rather than all of them.

4 Likes
6

Perhaps we can agree that some Lightforged Draenei Warlock backstory and quests would be good?

7

Sure. I do not think it is should be a prerequisite, but it would be welcome for flavor.

I think there is enough there already to lay out why they are around. But I would not be against more racial/class based quests in general.

The difference in our agreement may be the need for it. I think the “all classes for all races” bit can be plopped in as is. They do not need Blizzard to hold anyone’s hand further. But more in-depth lore is welcome.

1 Like
8

I mean you argue about the Void Elves using the Light to heal people even through they use the Void and I think the Void explodes or something if you only use light on it kind of like the Darkfallen?

But honestly nothing makes sense at this point in the lore.

1 Like
9

My theory is that the Void being “thousand truths” means it’ll use everything it can, while the Light is stricter. But now Blizzard is flushing that lore down the toilet.

10

Yeah I agree with you. I was going to level one just for the sheer enigma of it. I am kind of seeing ties between the lightforged warlocks and Calia menithal, as an lightforged undead. It seems Calia is immune to the rot, hatred, and rage that most of Arthas’s discarded were left with without the power of the Valkyrie. So I assume the light forging would protect them against the Fel, but you make a point that commanding Fel demons really does paint a picture of slavery in a way that’s a bit too gross for me. Even if they are demons.

Xe’ra didn’t seem to have a direct problem with Fel magic itself, she was more just obsessed with everyone using light powers. (Someone on another form said xe’ra would outcast them) but she wanted to turn illadin, and Lothamar exists. The lore could be that they were once a Draenei of the original 3 corruption, accepted the fel, but rebelled the legion and accepted the light. They still use the fel because its been their class since classic

11

Not consistently, actually only in one instance.

It’s been shown a lot more often that exposrue to fel can cause Draenei to assume more powerful forms.

Whatever Blizzard allows a player to make is canon by default. Deal with it.

3 Likes
12

I think it was the same affliction the MU Mag’har had suffered from that devolved the Draenei into Broken and not just fel magic

Red Pox was an old trick the ogres used on the Orcs. And I think it was the Shadow Council who unleashed it upon the Draenei when the old horde assaulted the Temple of Karabor.

2 Likes
13

I’m all for more race/class combos, but there are a few combinations that should be off-limits or require some explanation.
Lightforged Warlocks is a hard sell. Lightforged should have been a customization option for Draenei instead of a whole separate race. Draenei is more encompassing to allow that kind of class leeway.
It’s similar with the Lightforged undead. The only reason it works now is because they recontextualized undeath and death magic. I’m not a fan of that, but it is at least an explanation.

14

The way I reason it out in my head (reluctantly) is that the draenei warlocks in place to help monitor and police Velen’s penitents. Kind of like special agents recruited to work with the man’ari. Guiding them, or binding / banishing demons who prove to be less than forthright with their repentance as opposed to destroying them. Which isn’t that much of a threat to a demon, even without Argus/Antorus giving them a speedy and secure ressurection.

Sort of a Blade Runner 2049 type deal. Using replicants to police replicants. While treating both with a degree of distain and contempt.

1 Like
15

Krokul Broken on the other hand are as muscular as ever even though they start resembling Wrathguard.

Fel is a branch of Disorder(and considering the Goblins in Kriegval’s Rest accidentally summoned a Pit Lord by lighting Green Candles it seems it is the Color Green Incarnate) and Disorder has multiple paths.

Light being One True Path forbids the Fel from going in multiple directions including the direction of Wrathguard even if the Fel is strong enough to turn the Lightforged Green and start sucking in all Green nearby.

Lightforging a Krokul Broken would not stop the evolution to Wrathguard of course but it would stop an Ordinary Eredar from evolving as the One True Path is absolute!

Order is Structure while Light is Certainty. Shadow is Uncertainty while Disorder is Lack of Structure.

Certainty without Structure is a Fireball that keeps burning whatever is in front of it while Uncertainty with Structure is a Robot that has parameters that account for the unforeseen.

16

Begone foul necromancer!!!

17

Let the player think of their own. We don’t need a one size fits all answer.

And please keep in mind that 90 percent of the playerbase don’t want to be gatekept by RolePlaying Herberts.

As far as they are concerned, the Rule of Cool is justification enough.

3 Likes
18

Sometimes the worst thing you can do in a story is present something that is totally awesome, but also supposed to be totally unique.

I remember Wildstar, where thd faction ‘The Dominion’ presented the Eldan hybrids. The Eldan were basically an ancient people, very advanced people, and they created an Eldan-human hybrid, and a singular Eldan-human hybrid later came out of the blue and created ‘The Dominion’. (And no, introducing the eldan-human hybrids as playables would not save the game)

Now, these hybrids were not supposed to be numerous, nothing indicates that they are numerous.

Yet, did the players care? No - they wanted the hybrids to be playable, there should be thousands of them because they thought they seemed cool! To hell with lore.

It would be problematic too in a franchise like Dragon Age as well, if dwarves were suddenly able to produce numerous magi, because it has been established that dwarves just can’t do magic in that franchise.

Now, blizzard have not really presented hard limitations like that - quite the contrary in fact.

I do, however, understand the need to make rants like these. It is about story, about continueity, at the end of the day, it is about wanting a story that is relieable, a story that is understandable, and a story that does not just seem like it (it could be, but at least hide it) a confusing ‘written as we go’ mess.

It is why I got less invested in the story myself, because it simply got too inconsistent, and I wish it wasn’t.

But… blizzard never presented any hard limitation on race-class combinations.

19

That wasn’t what I was saying though. I think most class and race combinations are flexible enough to be in game.
I just think there are a few instances where a race/class combo would contradict lore or require an explanation/update to work- like how allied races became Death Knights after the 4th War.

20

I don’t think there is a single one. If you can make it… it is lore compliant even if it’s not an obvious combination.

2 Likes