Stop playing the game in baby mode and then you will actually see the content. how about that?
Some people hated BfA enough to completely block it from memory.
Normal is real raiding too.
My god, youâre a big elitist.
Emerald Nightmare, Nighthold, Tomb of Sargeras, Anthorus⌠Hellfire Citadel⌠Siege of OrgrimmarâŚ
AKA : pretty much every raid.
The raids are pretty much always the culmination of the main storyline.
I tend to agree. Years ago guilds use to be good, helpful, friendly, teamwork and all around fun to be in. Now guilds fall into 3 categories:
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basic and social/casual - which means they donât raid or do much of anything - so why bother joining. Full of Alts of the founding members but usually (if anyone logs in) is social. These guilds really give no help in the game other than the occasional whatever. I can do pug and do solo stuff on my own.
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Raiders - Want to raid, try to raid, but most of the players canât grasp the mechanics, take months to complete a normal raid or heroic and never really progress so it is often a chore. Often full of alts of the founding members, lots of cliques, not inclusive (but claim to be), and often toxic to their non-clique members. Attempts are made with schedules and rules like a hard core raiding guilds but often they are not good at maintaining.
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Hardcore - They raid, they take it way too serious, it often feels like a job, you must put in hours upon hours into the game - honestly not worth all of the BS.
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Its ok to say lfr isnt raiding but I say normal isnât raiding it hits a nerve? Lol
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LFR is raiding in the sense itâs a raid group doing content.
But LFR has things that make it unable to fail, which means it shouldnât be open day 1.
You know, when arguments have actual nuance ?
thereâs no such thing as LFR raider.
there are people doing LFR, myself included. but that does not make you a raiderâŚ
No you are just being elitist till it boosts your own ego. Raiding is just big groups. The amount of coordination and difficulty depends on the content you do. Lfr is the only raiding you can pug via the system. If I were to have a system to do lfr and heroic I would probably do that. Blizzard decides to not do that and add a determination buff for wide skill discrepancy among the casual player base.
Raiding is just big groups of people killing other things. Elitism makes people like you feel better, but blizzard decided to not allow you to queue into more difficult raids so the player base wont complain about it. Hands off in that regard. The fact that so many people do not want to be lumped with people who just do lfr with a name is ridiculous.
âYOU ARE NOT A REAL RAIDER, YOU JUST DO LFR!â. It speaks volumes of the social dynamic of the game.
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Sounds exactly like Vanilla to me.
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By claiming LFR is raiding but has the failure condition removed ?
Those are facts buddy. Facts are not elitist.
Are you repeating exactly what I said ?
And then arguing as if I didnât say it ? Is that really going to be your angle ? Makes it not worth reading the rest of your rabble there.
Iâm going to say this again. LFR is real raiding. By definition, it is raiding. Grab a dictionary and look up the word raid. Difficulty has nothing to do with whether it is a raid or not.
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i mean⌠technically we already knew this because of the cutscene that happens at the end of the raid which âstrictâ lfr only players wouldnât have access to until February.
They do have access to it.
They choose not to access it until February.
No one is barred access. Thatâs the nuance. No one is told âYouâre a strict LFR player, you can never do any other modeâ.
You gotta realize most people donât aspire to be on the cusp of ilvl cap a month into an expansion, with 10/10N, 9/10H, timing 7/8 +12 and higher keys, and an 1800 BG rating. Like, you do realize most people donât play this game as part of their full time job like you do, right?
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this is true⌠it goes along the lines of people saying âno one will invite me to a M+ group or a pug raidâ⌠you do have the ability to make your own group⌠then you can be the one to decide who can and cannot come
you got it
my subtle sarcasm seem lost on others 
Iâd understand if LFR gave you 200+ ilvl gear. But it barely gives you gear better than a M0, so thereâs no reason for it to be seen as âfree loot.â
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You do realise I was responding to a person that doesnât even know that a LFR doesnât have 40 members right ?
Just making sure⌠Because none of what you said is required to understand that LFR doesnât have 40 people in it.
I donât see why youâd need to be paid to know LFR isnât a group of 40 people.
Nor am I paid to play WoW.
Thatâs not the only thing youâve said in this thread, please at least be honest with yourself.
Has nothing to do with gear.
I made no arguments about loot.
Yes, and as such, you shouldnât be inferring anything beyond what I said.
Thatâs what is known as a strawman.