It’s overly frustrating for people that are trying to gear up to lose loot rolls on gear to other players who have much better gear. Example, a player with a 392 belt rolling on a 402 belt and loses the roll to a player with a 447 belt. The system that’s currently in play does not differentiate between transmog rolls and item level need rolls. Item level need should most definitely take priority.
Edit: Maybe put something in to have a separate roll for transmoggers that whoever gets the top roll will win the appearance but the person who needs the item level upgrade can still get the gear on a separate roll. If that makes any sense…
It’s also frustrating when you can’t roll for gear for the transmog. Everyone in the group helped kill the boss everyone should be able to roll for the rewards equally.
Exactly. But the “Need” roll is still an option for them. So either the “transmog” roll is on the same level as the “need” roll, or they are hitting need when they don’t actually need it. Maybe taking the “need” option out of the equation when they have a higher item level piece of gear should be patched in. Either way, it’s not a good system the way it’s set up. Definitely could be improved.
Which is why there should be a separate roll for transmoggers. Whoever wins the transmog roll will get the appearance but this also gives the person who needs the item level a better chance to upgrade their gear.
that could work well! but in that case i think there should also be “disenchant” rolls and “vendor” rolls which give the winner of each of those categories the shard or gold (respectively) if they win that side roll. that way everyone has a chance to get value out of each item.
If it’s a piece I’m rolling on, I typically inspect the person who has the top roll if it’s not me. There are plenty of people with higher item levels that are rolling need on lower item level gear just because they want to transmog it.
I get the irritation. There’s been a few times I’ve rolled need on an item in lfr and I’m still struggling to get rid of my crummy trinkets that are like ~370 or so and someone with a 447 rolls need and wins.
I’ll confirm in this week’s raid with my guild, but I’m pretty sure the Need option isn’t available when the character has the higher ilvl piece. I recall it’s Pass, Greed and Transmog only. I don’t need the gear from heroic raid and I just pass or transmog.
I sympathize with wanting to gear up out of LFR, but I like to collect the tier transmogs, and the only way to obtain it within reason is to come back and carry, and subsequently need roll on it.
Last night I helped a LFR Raszageth for way too long, racking up 5 stacks of Determination, and ended up winning my tier helm. There seems to be no way to convert to LFR-level tier with the catalyst (at least that I’ve seen), so it’s such a pain to go back and get this stuff.
That’s not really a personal definition though, it’s mirrored by Blizzard.
That’s the reason Need rolls’ design is based on whether or not you’re getting an upgrade, and the distinction whether you get a Need roll or a Transmog roll is about whether or not an item is an ilvl upgrade, in which case Need (for the ilvl upgrade) is meant to take greater priority over Transmog (a cosmetic unlock). Blizzard clearly wants items to actually be equipped and used by the winning player, not just unlocking a skin before vendoring it. I’m pretty sure this is what Blizzard reps said outright when they announced the “new” Need before Greed system (DF prepatch), as well as the later addition of the “new” Transmog roll option (can’t remember if this was 10.0.5, 10.1, whenever).
Part of the reason people keep posting about it is the many bugs and inconsistencies that break those ideas.
The LFR cosmetics are unlocked by world content gear. WIth DF Season 2 it was weird at the start because only SUffused gear from the Fyrakk invasions counted, but the newer content such as Time Rifts, the new Dreamsurge stuff, do count, and are actually deterministic. With Dreamsurges now, LFR, Normal, and Heroic tints can all be unlocked purely through World content.
Dragonflight SEason 1 is the anomaly because world content randomly unlocked the Normal set. I wanna say it was Kaivax who posted around the 10.1 launch that LFR appearances shoudl be unlocked by world content, which seems to suggest DF Season 1 was kind of a bug that unlocked the wrong set that they never got around to fixing. So for Vault of the Incarnates, LFR is required for those appearances now, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t apply to any other other raid set.
