Finally for the first time I see the bow drop on raz. I stayed in the group when everyone left and a whole new group formed. I led the raid. I was too 3 dps. Number 1 hunter. Yet when loot comes and bow etc drops. I roll for bow and I get a 1……………. Are you kidding me? I deserve that bow. Then THE WORST DPS IN THE GROUP SITTING AT number 20 on details. 2.4k dps won the bow………. I’m never going to run lfr raz again. This completely ruined my day that was going great. Why did he get the bow? He did not deserve it. Why was loot changed in lfr? It needs to go back to what it was. I’ll never see that bow drop again. This was my 1 chance but blizz thought it would be funny to make me roll a 1 and give it to the most worthless player in the group. I did all the hard work while he sat around and did nothing.
What makes you think PL would have given you a different result?
All random pugs need to go back to personal loot. It was boneheaded to make it group loot in the first place. It’s like a dev was asking themself how to increase acrimony in the game.
At least with personal I wouldn’t have to fight people. And the bow did drop so if it was personal I would have got it. Why does the worst dps in the group get to have it ? He shouldn’t even get to roll since he was dead the whole fight . First breath.
My hunter also killed Raz on LFR and saw the bow drop. I quick checkedd and there was only 1 other hunter in the group, so my hopes were high. He rolled a 16 - I rolled a 5. 
And yeah, I was near the top in dps and he was at the bottom - but the dice don’t care.
That’s my question. RNG doesn’t care about your DPS or how long you lived. It’s completely random.
You did, but it hid that from you
Not necessarily.
Because he has the same right to roll on it as you do. If that level of performance is the same across multiple pulls in LFR, it’s on you to try and give them the vote kick they deserve.
I just know I’ll never see the bow drop again. And I roll a 1 it’s so annoying. I almost always roll between 1-10. Dude got to watch us do whole fight and collect the best wep after doing nothing. Maybe I should try and do nothing in a raid maybe I’ll get something good. Lol.
This is exactly what confuses me. People seem to think that personal chance gave them more of a chance at getting loot, when all it did was make the rolls private. Personal loot had everyone in the raid roll a secret need roll, and gave things out accordingly. Group loot that need roll is just public.
I feel like I got way more loot with personal. And my guild agrees.
You would have rolled a 1 with personal loot too you just wouldn’t have seen the roll.
You could always fish for a group that has no other hunters (big lol)
If they didn’t show your roll result group loot would be exactly the same as personal loot.
That’s probably just law of large numbers taking effect, something GL hasn’t had time to manifest yet.
Once I got to ilvl 380 I stopped bothering with lfr. It’s very unrewarding now.
It’s GD, people like to complain about a result, and propose a change that does nothing at all to change the result they are complaining about.
As someone who only runs lfr and has done so since legion. I can say personal loot definitely resulted in more gear for myself. Ive been running lfr since wing 1 dropped in dragonflight and only won one piece of gear the entire time. Im still getting my vault choices but i won way more than that with personal loot.
It’ll drop again. It’s not like trying to get Rivendare’s Mount for years and rolling a 1.
Law of averages hasn’t had time to kick in yet.
last ive seen personal loot didnt let people win 2 or 3 items
This is a consistent LFR thing. The worst players win 70% of the time, people who have better win 20% of the time, and those who need and weren’t afk win 10% of the time.
I made these stats up, but so far my anecdotal experience has been incredibly close to this.
Ah yes, the GD cult of “personal loot and group loot are the same thing.”
It was impossible to win 2 items with PL. That in itself negates your entire cult’s belief system.