LFR is a direct response to the change from 40 man raiding.
I DO NOT raid weekly now, I stopped raiding when Blizzard left the 40 man raid format.
Once 40 man raiding was scrapped it became take the class/spec over the player. You now have to fill a specific slot in the group composition regardless of what you may desire to play. So as the restrictions became tighter and tighter in regards to group formation, less and less people raided. It is very simple.
Don’t just blindly blame LFR for all of current raid participation problem. It is one of many many issues regarding this subject.
I did 40 man raid and yes, it was almost all about getting 40 people in the raid and DPS checks. It was about getting all your guild together and raiding.
Since the change the raids have become more challanging and groups are required to fit as much as the can within the constraints of the smaller groups.
I am not saying that raiding as it is today is bad, I think it is amazing. But to say the reason people don’t raid is because of LFR is just reckless at best. More people raided from Vanilla and BC due to the fact that more people were invited without the restrictions and requirement that are required by today’s raiding guilds.
Why would you want LFR to be bumped up to Normal mode? Just play normal mode if you want normal mode.
Why do you feel the need to change things other people enjoy? LFR isn’t meant to be difficult, so why are you insisting that LFR needs to be more difficult?
Why is LFR’s existence such an issue for you? When you don’t have to do it.
Yes, I think Blizzard is getting desperate to stem subscription loss. BFA had many design aspect that I don’t believe are good for the game, just my opinion. Just making content easy to do and adding endless hamster wheel grinds is not a good way to boast subscriptions. IMO, the “Time Played” metric has caused WoW great damage.
I’ve had lots of fun in BFA, but there is still room for improvement. Listing the problems here would just derail this thread.
Yupp that’s why we see so many boomkins, shadow priests, ret paladins, and feral druids in MC right? It’s definitely just not filled with the best specs…
Okay what does that have anything to do with this. Nostalgia much? This isn’t 2005. We are comparing 2019 Classic WoW to 2019 retail, and both focus solely on taking the best classes before the best players. And the top of the top guilds take the best players on the best classes. If you can build a time machine and play the game back then then I will listen to you.
And I raided in Vanilla, people still picked up only the best classes, and then reserved a few spots for the garbage specs. You are operating purely on nostalgia based memory. I like Classic a crap ton, same with vanilla, but in retail there are actually more viable classes on all roles than in Vanilla.
These two groups can’t coexist. People who like retail outside of mythic raiders (and perhaps pvpers I honestly don’t know what they enjoy) wouldnt stick around in a game with a progression system that is built around being social and improving their skill.
But all of that is incorrect, unless you were in a casual guild, and casual guilds do the same thing now?? You can’t compare min/max retail guilds to casual classic guilds, that’s not how it works. I have raided on multiple WoW accounts and guilds with my brother and a few friends who started a guild since BC. All of the best guilds always looked for the best classes, as did we.
Standards are higher today because of competition.
You are backpedaling now. People cared what your skill was. If you wiped a 40 man raid in Vanilla more than once in an instance do you think you’d get a guaranteed raid spot next week? Probably not. Such a small amount of people saw raids back then that only good players were in them, and usually with the best specs. We didn’t see prot pallys, shadow priests, boomkins, ferals, etc in those raids.
The guild I was in was casual, didn’t care, and wiped many times. We still managed to have BWL on farm as we entered into BC and cleared all the way to black temple. And yes we had “prot pallys, shadow priests, boomkins, ferals, etc”
as a matter of fact our main tank was a prot pally so I dunno what to tell ya.
i played a bit of classic with 8 different classes.
it wasnt a bit harder than retail, just a LOT slower.
Players claiming classic is harder just confuse me honestly
I honestly believe at this point there are fewer normal and heroic raiders in guilds organized for that then mythic raiders. I won’t ever argue absolutes but I see you as a exception to the rule
A casual retail guild does ALL of the things you just listed. They take kind-hearted folks who want to raid in a guild and show up to kill bosses regardless of skill and spec. They wipe many times too. I was in a super casual guild from Cata until Legion.
But in guilds that push progression, they are going to take the best classes, whether it be 2005, 2019, Classic, Retail, the Stone Age, it doesn’t matter.
