I’ve seen a few threads on this but wanted to mention it again (so as not to ‘necro’ a post).
I understand we have vote to kick but outside of the publicity contest that can be swaying a large groups opinion enough to vote to kick someone (if they’re queue’d alone) can be a real challenge and often people simply don’t care enough.
I’m not talking about dungeons where usually you can get away with this kind of thing, specifically talking about LFR where sometimes you can end up with like two or three ‘healers’ that are in DPS spec and just there for the fast queue.
Situations where it’s not a problem excluded, it would simply be nice to have an option to report people for doing this, especially when they’re usually repeat offenders and there’s no real repercussions for their griefing and exploitation of the queue/role system.
People doing this can create a really negative experience, especially for new/casual players for no reason other then one person not wanting to wait extra minutes (or learn to heal/tank properly and just set their loot spec to their ‘main spec’).
What are the chances this is something that can be for discussion or a possibility in the future?
Edit: Added for clarification | I’m not saying to remove or even change vote to kick. I’m asking that an option to report for players exploiting the role queue be added. So as to create a track record and punish players that abuse this gratuitously.
I’d rather they leave this up to the players to do that then add some sort of babysitting feature. As soon as a player notices and points it out “S Priest queued as a healer” or something like that, the group will kick. If no one notices, then it probably is fine they just keep doing what they’re doing
Yes. About 50% of the time, usually when there’s multiple DPS queue’d as healers. Again, it’s usually a situation where it’s close enough that people don’t notice or don’t care (as most people in LFR do). Regardless, the point remains not that you CAN do it and it’s fine, it’s that you can do it at all. Simply shouldn’t be something that’s tolerated.
I wasn’t super clear in my original post (so I’ll update it) but I’m not talking about removing kick. That should remain, specifically for grievous offenses and/or toxic players.
I’m asking for an additional option to report players for abusing the role select with no immediate repercussions. More of a “This person consistently does this on a regular basis so the automated system will start banning/shadow banning them”
The groups I’ve been in it’s either there’s multiple people doing it (so hard to get them all) or people simply don’t care, even when wiping over and over again. Generally I don’t care. I just would like the ability to report these players so that there can be real repercussions outside of “You randomly got kicked once and can just keep doing it”.
The one time I noticed this happening was the LFR KJ I ran waaaaaaaay back in the Legion days. The raid bled out and died to ticking damage early on (first intermission? Legion was ages ago and I don’t remember specifics) and everyone was like “wtf where are heals”
Turned out ALL OF OUR HEALERS were in DPS spec. They quickly started doing the Spiderman point at each other and going “wtf why aren’t you healing”.
All of them got kicked.
With how much I ran LFR back in the day and seeing this only cause one wipe out of all of that… I’m not sure it’s a HUGE problem in need of Blizzard’s intervention, but I do see how it can be frustrating, especially for DPS-only classes who have no choice but to endure the DPS queue.
All fair points and you’re right, it doesn’t happen super often, I just feel it shouldn’t be happening at all and currently we have no real tools to prevent it from happening over and over again.
It’s like the people that hit the express (ten items or less) checkout line with like 30 items and no one tells them no because it’s easier to just go with it. Is it a big deal? Not really. But shouldn’t be happening and this could have a really gracious window before reports did anything.
Like, let’s say this person does this every week, three wings of LFR. Say roughly 5~ people care enough to report for exploiting (but don’t care enough to kick). That would be 15 reports a week. Say something like 50 reports before any actions are taken, so again, it would only catch the most grievous offenders (ones that do it often and/or do it poorly enough that more people care enough to report).
Just a mild annoyance that you can’t report for it but can report for just about anything else.
Rather than dealing with the messiness around getting enough people in LFR to pay attention so they can kick them, they should just use the PvP system in LFD/LFR.
If you queue as a role, it forces you to be in a spec that does that role.
I mean, I’d be somewhat okay with this. Only issues would be then they’d be (potentially) queuing up as a subpar healer (which I guess is still better than no healer) and then I couldn’t heal as a protadin >.>
That does nothing though - so they become totally useless. I would report them for gameplay sabotage - they are the same as the people who afk in bgs, ruin the experience for others.
I have reported people for gameplay sabotage during those community feasts - I would be surprised if that wasn’t available as an option in LFR since it looked to be default. I think you have to click on the person though to get that option.
There is no guarantee forcing anyone into the spec they queued for is prepared or even “will” play. It isn’t going to fix any actual problems.
The “fix” is kicking them. I’d even argue the game should have some rudimentary base output expectation and auto remove people who aren’t meeting that metric. Obviously this will be controversial and nobody will agree on how much is fair or try and argue why exceptions should be made and how it punished bad players or “victims” who die early or blah blah blah…but queue content needs sharper teeth and punishing players who are being anchors on groups is fair.
what the heck do you think can happen when 1 of your tank is in a dps spec, he’s going to get demolished and wipe groups simply because the lazy peon did not want to wait a bit more wich is ironic
Bit of a moot point in this LFR. There is no required swaps and the soft swap timers are so nerfed that they decay before swap is necessary. It is just stubborn tradition to even have a second tank.
Oh man, we were on Council with two healers who were DPS. That fight is bad enough when you have to try to get the tanks to figure out the mechanics, but being down almost half the healers was awful. And they kept claiming we could do this, we just needed more Determination and them being DPS wouldn’t matter then.
It’s really frustrating.
I disagree. The Council fight is pretty tank dependent. Every single group I’ve been in had to cycle tanks because one would quit after each wipe whether it was the one tanking four stacks of Crush from Opalfang or the one who didn’t know the taunt rotation.
closest I had was ‘cheating → boosting’. I’ll check again cause sabotage would be perfect