The TBC tool is absolutely terrible UI and not that user friendly. You cant apply to groups you have to whisper or be whispered. As compared to the retail Premade Group finder which is far more user friendly and just better to use.
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UI seems pretty easy to me
What’s the difference between applying and whispering “im this spec and class, inv”?
Yes retails premade group finder is good, but it functions pretty closely to TBC’s, which makes me confused as to why TBC’s is trash in comparison. I wouldn’t argue if people just said retails is better, but TBC’s is trash? come on. if people actually used it, it’d work.
Most people who run dungeons aren’t social, either. Sweaties can’t sweat and chat at the same time.
I’m fine with adding the retail group finder system to Classic, but only if it is server-wide. No cross-realm grouping.
They didn’t put Mythic Dungeons in the random dungeon finder because of the difficulty, not because of “the old ways”. You then still got what happened in wrath where recruitment was vetted with a numerical score (i.e. raider IO).
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Several reasons, first you can only look for one this at a time in LFM, which is quite annoying if you don’t care about normal vs heroic(and it doesn’t save your preferences if you switch between normal/heroic). Second if you are looking for more than one dungeon that isn’t visible in the list view so you have to mouse over every group manually. Third it doesn’t update automatically, you have to manually refresh it.
So yeah all in all it’s just a bad tool. It’s not even better than chat and it’s significantly worse than LFG BB.
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bro its better than chat and LFG BB with your given reasons for it being bad lol
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LFG BB does all three of those things that the tool can not.
Browse for any mix of dungeons/raids/difficulties, check.
Update real time, check
Easily give me a break down of what the groups are for, check
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They did say they plan to add in the retail lfg tool for wotlk. No worries. I’m lookin forward to it.
Personally though I use the tbc built in tool, helps me a ton when making groups. Always liked it. But i totally understand most ppl dont use it and that takes away from its efficacy.
okay its a tiny bit better, but if TBC tool is trash, LFG BB is the lid
Don’t get me wrong I’d prefer the retail LFG Tool over it but that’s on blizzard.
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Doesn’t matter, people use what’s better. The retail tool is better than the addon, and both are better than the useless tool the Classic team wasted dev time implementing.
It’s one of the big reasons I think the Classic team overall is bad at their jobs. To actually waste time implementing something everyone was telling them (and they themselves admitted) was garbage, is incompetence. Implementing 400ms spell batching, and not immediately removing it once the implications were realized by the ignorant portion of the community who originally advocated for it is another reason.
They’ve made some good changes but man oh man, the lack of foresight, and good judgement by this team is astounding.
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The turnaround time for updates is bad. Is it because 1 person is working on Classic?
The only issue is that I feel might come up stems from the fact the retail version of a group finder only works because you have raider io. When people apply for your group and you are able to pick people, if you use raider io it will show you data related to what that person has done, whether it be what keys they have done, their highest key/number of keys completed for the particular dungeon you are recruiting for, their raid progress to tell you something like they are 13/13 heroic and 7/13 mythic. Moreover, IO for mythic dungeons would give you an overall score. Even if you don’t have IO installed, the in game UI will give you information related to their iLvl and the Blizzard Mythic dungeon score.
Taking that over to classic, I don’t expect somebody to create a database that provides information related raid progress, but you have to realize that GS is like bread and butter on the Wrath private servers. I suspect a version will be made for Wrath private servers and that will be the determinant to get into groups. No dialogue, just choosing people off an arbitrary number. I say arbitrary because often on Pservers, you will have people get a group together to knock out all heroics in the day but then ask for GS significantly higher than the gear that ask for the dungeon which bars people who need to gear up or people who are not near full bis from raid. Similar thing for PUG raids. I suspect that will be the new norm.
It’s already the norm.
The norm is using logs, which requires tabbing out of the game. What I’m talking about is right-clicking a name in chat and immediately knowing if you’re gonna invite them or not.
The improved tool is better just because of the visibility. You can see at a glance what instances people want, their roles, and the current group composition. Roles and composition are the big part. Not having to mouse over each thing to get the info the improved tool gives you with one look.
I’ll be happy if there’s no gearscore in wrath. Dont need no raider io crap to have use out of a good LFG tool. I’d even take the LFG tool without gearscore over the random dungeon finder.
There’s already gatekeeping based on progression due to logs. Don’t think there’s any way to fix that.
i mean, technically GS already exists in TBCC, it’s just not prolific yet.
LFM Deadmines, must have ilvl 213 minimum
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It’s coming. If people are able to vet people without saying a word AND needing to tab out of the game, it’s gonna stay. People will inspect at the start though for PuG raids since the frost resist sets have an absurd ilvl/GS but that was mostly to circumvent the ilvl requirement for being able to RFD heroic dungeons.
But it doesn’t work the same way since ilvl =/= better gear in TBC in lower levels which is why it didn’t catch on. Gear becomes more linear in Wrath so a metric system works much easier at entry level dungeons and it will catch on.