kind of a rant, but also a complaint about the LFG Kick function
i may stand alone on this issue but i may not
It seems to me that more often than not, this system of giving players the ability of booting people from runs/instances/whichever is abused far more than it is worth even having.
i was in an island expedition and playing as per custom when the other 2 players ran off and left me behind to fight off a handful of mobs during which i ended up dying and respawning. to which the other two ended up complaining about teamwork and such, EVEN THOUGH they ran off and left me behind.
Then they kicked me even though i was actively working and mining azerite and such and never once did i stop and just afk or whatever
to make it even WORSE i got the "deserter" debuff of which caused me to have 30 minutes of wasted time which ended up causing me to log out and quit the game out of disgust and annoyance.
I've been playing this game since 2004, but throughout the years of seeing the vote kick system, i've witnessed it being abused far far more than it is used as intended
there really needs to be an overhaul of this kick feature and or better yet, just an outright removal of it completely
sheesh.....srsly though
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11/07/2018 01:09 PMPosted by Scaarrkind of a rant, but also a complaint about the LFG Kick function
i may stand alone on this issue but i may not
It seems to me that more often than not, this system of giving players the ability of booting people from runs/instances/whichever is abused far more than it is worth even having.
i was in an island expedition and playing as per custom when the other 2 players ran off and left me behind to fight off a handful of mobs during which i ended up dying and respawning. to which the other two ended up complaining about teamwork and such, EVEN THOUGH they ran off and left me behind.
Then they kicked me even though i was actively working and mining azerite and such and never once did i stop and just afk or whatever
to make it even WORSE i got the "deserter" debuff of which caused me to have 30 minutes of wasted time which ended up causing me to log out and quit the game out of disgust and annoyance.
I've been playing this game since 2004, but throughout the years of seeing the vote kick system, i've witnessed it being abused far far more than it is used as intended
there really needs to be an overhaul of this kick feature and or better yet, just an outright removal of it completely
sheesh.....srsly though
As you can kick someone for any reason it can't be abused. So really there's no actual issue
11/07/2018 01:09 PMPosted by Scaarrbut i may not
You don't, but this is quite the overbeaten dead horse. This is also not the forum for venting, complaints, or feedback.
You'll want to post constructively about how Blizzard can create the absolute, flawlessly-perfect system in either General Discussion or the Dungeons, Raids, and Scenarios forum.
11/07/2018 01:09 PMPosted by Scaarrto make it even WORSE i got the "deserter" debuff of which caused me to have 30 minutes of wasted time which ended up causing me to log out and quit the game out of disgust and annoyance.
i didn't quit WoW outright, but rather just quit playing for today
With pre made groups you have a leader.
That leader may invite or kick at will.
All in that group are there with each other by choice. They all chose to join that group, with those specific others. And they can chose to leave the group at any time, without penalty.
When using the automated group former (LFD, LFR, Islands, etc) you do not get to pick your teammates. They are randomly assigned. Hence there is no group leader.
With a pre made, the leader can kick at will. With a random group that cannot be done, so the vote kick system is there.
While not perfect, the kick system works well enough for its intended purpose. To allow a majority to vote out someone.
The thoughts, motivations and reasons for someone voting to kick do not matter.
All that matters is a majority vote.
If you feel you were kicked "unfairly" than that is just a difference of opinion with the others in the group. Blizz does not get involved with such differences of opinion.
That leader may invite or kick at will.
All in that group are there with each other by choice. They all chose to join that group, with those specific others. And they can chose to leave the group at any time, without penalty.
When using the automated group former (LFD, LFR, Islands, etc) you do not get to pick your teammates. They are randomly assigned. Hence there is no group leader.
With a pre made, the leader can kick at will. With a random group that cannot be done, so the vote kick system is there.
While not perfect, the kick system works well enough for its intended purpose. To allow a majority to vote out someone.
The thoughts, motivations and reasons for someone voting to kick do not matter.
All that matters is a majority vote.
If you feel you were kicked "unfairly" than that is just a difference of opinion with the others in the group. Blizz does not get involved with such differences of opinion.
almost every day i hear of friends or guildies who dare to be foolish enough to use the LFG/LFR tool getting kicked for some silly, nonsense reason. by my scientifically precise calculations, it seems to be a troll tool 93.7% of the time these days. but since the player base is mostly comprised of irl trolls and CHUDs, that is fitting.
I've never been kicked.But I stay with the group.Stopping to fight mobs while the tank (or strong dps) is pulling everything to the next elite slows everyone down.Run with the other 2,stop at the elite,aoe everything,collect,pull to next elite/chest/etc,repeat.
I agree with OP. I had the SAME issues in Island Expeditions, I was spec'd as heals (because dumb azerite system I don't reforge just for IE and don't have enough gear).
This jerk demon hunter group chatted the other person "this idiot low dps 1.1k just kick" and they kicked me after 15 seconds into the expedition? I had no time to respond I was busy actually mining azerite. I then got 30min deserter debuff.
The point it that systems are not !@#$%^- or idiot proof, but currently in IE it feels pretty awful.
This jerk demon hunter group chatted the other person "this idiot low dps 1.1k just kick" and they kicked me after 15 seconds into the expedition? I had no time to respond I was busy actually mining azerite. I then got 30min deserter debuff.
The point it that systems are not !@#$%^- or idiot proof, but currently in IE it feels pretty awful.
11/10/2018 11:46 AMPosted by FôurthI agree with OP. I had the SAME issues in Island Expeditions, I was spec'd as heals (because dumb azerite system I don't reforge just for IE and don't have enough gear).
This jerk demon hunter group chatted the other person "this idiot low dps 1.1k just kick" and they kicked me after 15 seconds into the expedition? I had no time to respond I was busy actually mining azerite. I then got 30min deserter debuff.
The point it that systems are not !@#$%^- or idiot proof, but currently in IE it feels pretty awful.
It's a combination of factors.
1) Small 3 man teams meaning you only need 2 morons to complete the kick.
2) Varying skill/knowledge levels since nothing in island expedition is explained in game. There is no tutorial level you have to complete.
3) Different goals. Most people in there at this point are farming rares for mounts/pets. They don't want or care about the azerite or "winning." Mining the nodes is a waste to these people.