Soo when we going to get those? Since Blizzard doesnt care about vanilla experience at all.
Just watched how APES GUILD EXPLOITED the raid, disgusting.
it makes all the the molten core fights extremely easy and buggy, easier than doing EPL questlines and retail WQs. That UBRS mob must be nerfed.
Otherwise you are saying that core mechs from classic such as resistences shouldn’t be allowed in classic,
It is just literally FREE EPICS AND LEGENDARIES.
Blizzard needs to fix it asap or game will die with everyone gaining free stuff just like retail.
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Agreed the exploit must be dealth with.
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I saw the stream briefly, can someone explain the exploit?
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No exploit. They used the same strategy that was used 14 years ago.
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Mind control a mob form ubrs to buff up your entire raid with a lot of FR, making the grind of FR completely pointless thus making the raid faceroll, you dont have to do anything other than auto attack for real. Core mech of MC which was resistences have literally 0 use on classic atm.
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Yet there is no video or proof of said strategy till very, VERY LATE vanilla.
Rag and BWL took months to kill because FR gear was a must have this exploit makes the raid extremely easy, easier than soloing old raid bosses in retail.
It is just free epics and legendaries.
Well thats quite an exploit. Im assuming it wasnt available in vanilla and somehow snuck in classic?
Ya they pretend like everyone used the exploit to do the raid but in fact people just played the game by its rules.
Now exploiting the raid is “clever” and making the entire raid useless is ok too.
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I dont think you people know what “exploit” means
btw, my guild used this back in the day, it just wasnt advertised or mainstream knowledge.
Whatever happened to
#keepclassicpure
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Exactly and just like reckbomb soloing bosses it must be dealt with.
Yet you have no proof of your guild doing it.
All you have from vanilla videos killing rag fast was a raid with 36 frost mages and nobody had the exploit buff.
It makes the core mechanichs useless it is an exploit by defenition.
Avoiding certain mechanics by unintentional means is an exploit.
Im sure blizz didnt design it so you could trivialize a raid on purpose
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I found a google groups from 2006 about this. You can find it if you want.
Blizzard even answered this and said it wasn’t an exploit.
Doesn’t seem like an exploit to me…
You MC a mob and use its buff (fire resist) for a very fire damage intensive fight…where is the exploit.
This isn’t an exploit btw.
That’s not an exploit, that’s using in-game mechanics. It’s also something that’s been in the game since the beginning:
https://classic.wowhead.com/npc=9098/scarshield-spellbinder#comments
Some people want changes to make it feel like retail so it should take 2 weeks I guess even though no one really cares about wow esports.
lol “exploit”. guilds,including the one i was in at the time,used this every week.grow up
Every “throwback” server in every mmo has this argument btw.
Wow that content got destroyed, they must be exploiting.
No, we have access to information that was kept secret by people who figured it out back in the day. These things existed in classic, but people didnt know about them.
Ignorance =/= exploiting.
You want to keep classic pure, this is pure classic. This WAS used back in the day, just because your guild didnt use it doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
Guilds also raided with multiple ret paladins, shadow priests, feral druids, etc etc.
We also now know how BAD those specs are in a raid comps. You want classic raiding, bring 2-3 rets healing in their “heal set” feral specd druids healing in a “heal set”, fire specd mages using frost spells because they liked fire spec but it didnt work in MC.
These are the things people did that made this content way harder then it had to be.
I bet all 6 of those pallies in that APES raid were holy spec, IIRC most raids didnt have more then one pally specd holy back in the day.
“Warts and all.”
This was part of vanilla. Mind control buffing is neat, they should bring it back.
1.12 vs. Rag is the actual difference between early MC and now. The fact that people are comparing the world first rag kill in early vanilla to this is laughable.
Significantly different game balance + available knowledge.