LFD, Blizzard is lying

[Piezuri-benediction]

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

You have no evidence to back up this claim. It’s your personal feelings.

In what world do you not see the hypocrisy of saying this?

You can look back pre classic release and see how heavy the sentiment was against LFD, and nostalrius audience that convinced blizzard to do classic realms

For vanilla. And I was a part of that community.

the millions of players who’ve complained about cross realm and automation

Citation needed.

The anti-LFD crowd already has what they want

Of course, they got what they wanted for the last several years and are now enjoying continuing to get what they want to the detriment of the game and the playerbase.

Try sparking a LFD conversation in a global channel in game

I have. Ignoring the fact most people never replied, a number didn’t know LFD wasn’t going to be in game, a number wanted it, and a few were happy about it.

Overall most people don’t seem to care either way, for now.

But the forum echo chamber of retail players (who I can clearly see from their character avatar) clearly makes you feel good.

You say this while posting on a level 10 alt. You’re literally exactly the same as them.

[Rotationn-illidan]

There already is botting and RMT. Allowing blizzard to control it has always been a much better solution.

[Rotationn-illidan]

Get some self control and play how you want, stop trying to force your game play on others.

[Alîcê-azuresong]

When I see your posts about community I feel unwelcome in this game. You are a troll who dosn’t care about anyone but yourself. You use community to benfit yourself and hurt others. To get ahead in an agrument by using passive agressive staments to put down others.

Between you and other posters I have felt like I am losing my game today and I wish you would just stop with this community crap. We all have a place in this game. It is not just you and your narrow minded vision on this game.

I shouldnt’ have to scrafice playing this game just because you are upset with me existing in this game!

[Härland-grobbulus]

@Rotationn-illidan

Allowing blizzard to profit from it has always been their goal.

FIXED.

[Ziryus-pagle]

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

Adding LFD would be by far the biggest thing they could ever do to sabotage classic, even more than they’ve sabotaged the game by not permanently banning gold buyers and hiring human GMs to take care of bots.

You could maybe say that had they added LFD in vanilla or TBC classic. However in Wrath classic LFD is actually true to the experience.

[Piezuri-benediction]

@Ziryus-pagle

You could maybe say that had they added LFD in vanilla or TBC classic. However in Wrath classic LFD is actually true to the experience.

It’s also demanded by the people playing on Wrath private servers. Blood keeps bringing up Nostalrius, but the hardcore Wrath community absolutely wants it.

[Rotationn-illidan]

And? Its still a better solution then having people buy gold from 3rd party sites. It would also help to control the bots.

[Härland-grobbulus]

@Rotationn-illidan

Its still a better solution then having people buy golf from 3rd party sites

That’s the thing, players should be banned for buying gold not rewarding Blizzard for participation in what really amounts to Pay to win / pay to progress, whatever you want to call it. Its often used as a resource to buy carries that are effectively P2W / Pay to Progress, being basically the same thing in WoW.

[Blooddrunk-grobbulus]

@Piezuri-benediction

For vanilla. And I was a part of that community.

That audience who wanted vanilla was the target audience and the bulk of them still play. Aliening them by adding LFD would be suicide.

@Piezuri-benediction

Of course, they got what they wanted for the last several years and are now enjoying continuing to get what they want to the detriment of the game and the playerbase.

They are the majority of the playerbase. They are the target audience that wanted vanilla and tbc and still play. Wrath doesn’t bring in the same bulk of lost subscribers, and a significant percentage of them are inconsequential because they already play retail and are paying blizzard regardless. Aliening that original core is suicide.

@Piezuri-benediction

Citation needed.

You weren’t paying attention or deliberately ignored a lot of the complaints about the game since late wrath and onward if you can’t see the audience. Even as far back as the end of vanilla, there was a contingent that was furious over cross realm bgs, let alone the future incremental changes to the game that further deteriorated the social aspects of the game.

@Piezuri-benediction

You say this while posting on a level 10 alt. You’re literally exactly the same as them.

You clearly don’t understand my point in bringing them up. The point is if they play and enjoy retail, they are an inconsequential customer to classic. Even if they quit classic, they will still be paying blizzard for retail since the sub is shared. From a financial point of view, the retail players who happen to also play classic literally don’t matter.

[Rotationn-illidan]

People want to do endgame content. Its that simply and pretending its 2004 again is not a solution. Two classic expansion shows people hate the leveling.

[Blooddrunk-grobbulus]

Clearly, you don’t value or care about the social aspects of the game that are lost with LFD in the game. That’s fine, there is other games that cater to what you enjoy. People who enjoy those social elements are not personally attacking you by disagreeing with you. The audience that wanted vanilla and tbc are the same people who have been complaining to blizzard for 10 years that features like LFD destroyed the game, and most of them still play. It makes no sense to alienate that original core audience when the vast majority of wrath when it was relevant didn’t even have LFD.

[Piezuri-benediction]

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

That audience who wanted vanilla was the target audience and the bulk of them still play. Aliening them by adding LFD would be suicide.

SoM exists if they want to keep playing vanilla. For the rest of the playerbase, many people still here want Wrath.

They are the majority of the playerbase.

You make as many claims as Bloom and post just as many sources for them.

You weren’t paying attention or deliberately ignored a lot of the complaints about the game since late wrath and onward if you can’t see the audience.

Millions is a gross overestimation, and if you ask 10 people the reasons they quit, they’ll give you 10 different answers.

You clearly don’t understand my point in bringing them up.

And you don’t understand my point by bringing up the fact you are posting on an alt.

Virtually every anti-LFD poster posts on an alt. Why? Do you think someone is going to harass you? Nobody cares that much about you.

Are you embarrassed by your own performance? Or are you just a troll?

[Geewizle-pagle]

If you don’t want LFD then go retail, it fits you better. We want classic wotlk with no changes.

[Alîcê-azuresong]

@Blooddrunk-grobbulus

Clearly, you don’t value or care about the social aspects of the game that are lost with LFD in the game.

You are just proving why you only care about tearing the community apart. You can only base your social intreations on one feature and because of this I have to suffer for it.

There are many other ways to socialize even in classic but you have to have an absloute view on it. Either you socialize in the way you see fit or you don’t play the game. And you honstly wonder why I am upset.

I feel like I have some spiked club at my head threatning me to socizlie the classic way or leave. I can’t possibly intreact and meet people the way I see fit. That is out of the question. Can’t have free will here.

[Xanthak-durotan (Xanthak)]

Uhm wrath was the first expansion that suffered huge subscriber loss that caused sub numbers to plateau. It rode the coat tails of tbc.

I know you don’t like the old school holier than thou mentality but c’mon. Wrath baby existed for a reason.

[Zootzoot-kaelthas (Zootzoot)]

@Xanthak-durotan

wrath was the first expansion that suffered huge subscriber loss that caused sub numbers to plateau.

If the sub numbers plateaued that means the losses were matched by new players joining in equal measure. The big drop actually started in Cata when Blizz tried to roll back the clock in terms of Raid and Dungeon difficulty.

Remember the famous Ghostcrawler Blue post “Dungeons are Hard”?

Ghostcrawler: Dungeons are Hard!

[Xanthak-durotan (Xanthak)]

Sure. Lots of new players joined. But still, it pissed a lot of the existing players off. It was during wrath where wow saw its first significant loss in subs.

[Piezuri-benediction]

@Xanthak-durotan

Uhm wrath was the first expansion that suffered huge subscriber loss that caused sub numbers to plateau. It rode the coat tails of tbc.

Wrath didn’t lose many subs, if at all. It even kept them during the longest content drought at the time.

There are many reasons why this could have happened, and many reasons why retail is the way it is now. But that doesn’t mean praising Blizzard for trying to get their grubby fingers into what we wanted is a good idea. For now, you approve of it. What happens when they change something you don’t approve of? Do you leave, as many have been told to do if they don’t like no-LFD?

@Xanthak-durotan

Sure. Lots of new players joined. But still, it pissed a lot of the existing players off. It was during wrath where wow saw its first significant loss in subs.

And there are plenty of vets who played then who enjoyed it when it was added.

[Classicuck-illidan]

Same reason they arent adding Race Changes. RDF and Race Changes directly affect their Boosts sales.