Storage- 1TB Samsung 990 EVO M.2 PCIe Gen 5 NVMe SSD
I believe that is everything part wise, if I am missing anything let me know, I wanted to know what you guys might suggest I change and also what type of performance would I get on a 1440p monitor 240hz could I play ultra/max settings?
obviously it’s for gaming but what else are you using the PC for? What other games besides WoW are you playing?
Ultra 9 285K is more of a niche processor, while it can perform very well for gaming the price you pay for it does not equal the pure gaming performance. There are other CPUs you can get for better performance or equal performance for less of a cost.
“PSU- Not sure model but will be 1k watts” - why 1k? Also wattage is almost a marketing term without the actual specs the PSU is able to provide wattage and still remain in spec.
Basically the parts you listed will work (assuming you get a capable PSU) just fine but you can probably do better unless you need a specific area of performance the Ultra 9 does well in.
100% I would only recommend this processor to someone who literally uses their PC for their job. Such as a video editor or a code compiler. It’s also really good for 3D animation.
If however you are building a gaming PC stay away from this processor.
If you’re focus is gaming you need to ditch that processor and motherboard and get the 9800x3D. To get anywhere near the same performance as the 9800x3D on the 285k you would have to overclock the heck out of it and you would also need to use 8000mhz Ram.
9800x3D and a decent 6200mhz Expo Ram kit and you are set. With that 5070 TI you can handle any 1440p game that you throw at your PC. Also you can get the MSI x870e tomahawk or the B850e tomahawk motherboard for the AMD processor since you have already decided on that motherboard.
Replying to both above, I do use my PC for my jobe which entails a bit of website production, video editing, and other tasks which is why I felt the Ultra was a bit of good for both worlds. But if you feel the i9 or i7 is much better let me know. I have only ever used intel, so my question would be if I went to AMD that would be a big change for me, as in I have used intel ever since PCs were created lol so if I did use an AMD CPU what would be the changes to my PC usage? Would I notice anything different?
Quick Edit- Just looked into AMD and while the 9800x3D there is also 9 series cpus 9900 and 9950 I assume they would be more expensive but are they way better than a 9800 and worth the extra?
Also if I went with an AMD CPU should I get an AMD GPU?
1k as when I put all my parts in a builder it is just shy of 850 so fealt 1k would be more benefitial.
The work you do is not a Multicore workload. thats single core. Just like a photo editor who uses Photoshop. Its all single core workloads. So you dont need a fancy multi core CPU.
Multicore work loads normally involve some form of Rendering or code compiling. Such as 3D animation or Video editing and rendering you final edits. So save yourself some money and just get the 9800x3D its cheaper and better in gaming. Your Workload is all Single Core stuff. So you will see no difference between an 8 core CPU and a 24 core of say (14900k).
There would be no big change. Also Zen6 will be increasing core count. Zen6 will be AM5 so you can always move to that. With AMD you have an upgrade path with intel you do not. Their socket is probably dead. No official word on LGA 1851 from intel yet. AMD has given official word that Zen6 will be Am5 though.
Here is an example of how big the gap is between the 9800x3D and the 285k. https://i.imgur.com/CWclJde.png
Thank you very much for the response much appreciated. I also did some searching regarding AMD and I am finding AMD CPUs are just simply better atm especially for gaming.
Now a x3D model is a for sure and the 9800 seems to be a sweet spot I assume? Or is it worth it to go for a 9900 or 9950? When it came to intel I would know the diff between a 3/5/7/9 model but AMD I would be new so sorry for the noob question lol.
Now Also if I went AMD CPU I would prefer to go with an AMD GPU whats your take on those? I wanted a 5070 due to price and still getting a massive boost compared to what I have, I know Nvidias 5k models are brand new how new are the newest AMD models?
I like to keep parts from same companies which is why I say that lol
Yes. Be thankful your type of work is all Single core work. Im not sure what applications you use but if you use say Dreamweaver or than the X3D CPU should be good for you. It does ultitze the X3D Cache. I will explain. A MAJOR benefit to the 9800x3D is the lack of need for fast RAM. Ram speed really doesn’t matter as much on the X3D cpu due to the exceptionally large cache. The Large V-cache acts as a dedicated RAM buffer reducing the need for data transfers from system memory. Ram speed still matters somewhat but no where near like it would say if you were on the 9700x, 9900x or 9950x. CPUs which do not have the V-Cache.
No. Stick with you 5070ti. Nvidia and AMD CPUs work great together.
Shifty is correct in his assessment with the CPU you need so I’m not going to reiterate everything he said on that side. The Ultra 9 shines in virtualization and AI work but really over priced for anything else. You can make a case for the AMD 9950 or intel 13700k/14700k in multicore work like pure rendering but the taks you mentioned really need strong single core.
As for as the PSU goes, no way you are pulling 850w with that set up. RTX 5070ti pulls around 275w gaming. Ultra 9 maxed out would be around 230w but in most apps and games around 130w. 9800X3D would have even better numbers in its power demands. A modern quality 850w unit would handle that without a sweat since gaming wise you would be around 475w-500w. If you want a 1k unit go for it but just realize a quality 850w PSU is better than a mediocre 1k.
100% Facts. I never contradict Lilybugg when its comes to PSUs. PSUs are pretty much Lily’s Jam. Just as CPUs and Ram are mine. There would be only 1 benifit I could see to getting a 1000w watt CPU and that’s more long term. The 1000w would give you headroom if you were to lets say consider moving to a 5090 or better when you can afford it later down the road. If not? Save $$ and get a solid 850w PSU. 1000w PSU is normally substantially more normally than an 850w.
Lily can chime in here but a few solid budget friendly examples I would recommend are:
MSI MAG A850GL (since you are going with an MSI motherboard and mentioned you like to buy products from the same company) This is also at a great price on Amazon ATM. Good deal for what you are getting https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CB9MSJ5N?th=1
What I use on a daily basis or plan to use is heavy gaming, probably 4-5 hrs a day such as World of Warcraft, Overwatch, GTA, Fortnite, etc so basically any game you can think of lol. I also work on websites and also edit/render videos for my soccer job for social media as well as gaming videos. Maybe this might make things a tad more easier to decide but the heaviest I use the PC for is editing/rendering videos but also probably when I am streaming games through OBS to Youtube/Twitch/Kick and also have multiple apps running such as he game, browser, OBS, etc.
MSI uses the proven GPX platform. Similar to the CM they are solid ATX 3.0 units with 450w 12+4 pin connectors. The seasonci and Corsair units are ATX 3.1 and a step above in quality. All will do the job, at equal price go the latter two
Always have a plan when building or buying a PC. What will I use it for? What hardware will I need to get the performance I want? How long will I use that hardware for? When will I upgrade? What can I carry over in upgrades and new builds if I want to?
If you decide on AMD these are your AMD choices of the same Motherboard https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DT55ZJM7 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DT58JK2Wcheaper but less features
No and No.
9900x3D is a 6+6 CPU. 6 cores are X3D and 6 are not. In gaming you would only have 6 cores. The other 6 will be parked. With the 9800x3D you have 8 cores.
9950x3D is a 8+8 CPU. 8 cores are X3D and 8 are not. In gaming you would only have 8 cores. The other 8 would be parked. So you are paying for 16 but using 8. Just no. Waste of $$
Both the 9900x3D and 9950x3D would pretty much require you to use Process Lasso to get the most out of them. Unless you are familiar with Process Lasso and know why you would use it? Just get the 9800x3D and eliminate this problem
If time equals money for you than go with the 9950X3D but that’s a question you should not have to think about. Otherwise the 9800X3D will handle everything you mentioned with no issues and run the snot out of any game.
Agreed but he will have to do a lot of research and learn to use process lasso with a dual CCD Chip also learn why he needs it. Thats just my two cents. The Core Parking is still finiky. Best to just disable game bar and use process lasso. ESPECIALLY with wow. It randomly wakes up cores from the second CCD. Since its not a V-cache CCD its causes a slight stutter and tanks your FPS when this happens.
I have personally tested this. Its why I have disabled Game Bar and use Process Lasso with my 9950x3D. Luckily I am familiar with this process. Your typical consumer may find it to be more of a headache. Hence why I advised the OP to just go with the 9800x3D since its a single CCD chip.
Haha you both made it very clear, thank you very much for 9800x3D it is makes a ton of sense.
Much appreciated!!!
Lastly when I am streaming games through OBS to Youtube/Twitch/Kick and also have multiple apps running such as he game, browser, OBS, etc. Would the 9800x3D suffice?
So that’s where productivity comes into play lol it is a side hobby as I have an actual job but I do make money from streaming (Spending money) but not enough to afford two PCs one for gaming one for productivity lol which is why CPU is my hardest part to decide on.
I don’t mind lacking a tad on gaming for productivity but if a 9800 AMD can suffice then might as well get the gaming focused CPU but if an Ultra 9 can be good enough for gaming and I mean 1440 on at least 9/10 max settings in wow then might as well get an Ultra 9 for now.
Ok… This needs to be a Discussion to have on discord or something. Would make this thread 1000 pages.
Quote me here when you are able to hop on Discord. I will share my discord info with you. I will cover you options with you. This way you dont wind up Needlessly wasting Heaps of cash
I will also discuss Process Lasso with you and see if its something you want to deal with or not.
Thank you very much.