Leveling brackets que times 3xs as long now

[Pallymcpwn-moon-guard]

@Jugaa-grobbulus

But again, we’d have to know how many weren’t queuing with twinks in the picture, compared to when they aren’t

I personally saw ques jump 1-4 minutes the day and weeks after non-twinks were taken out. So clearly more twinks were taken out than people queing because there were twinks.

@Jugaa-grobbulus

As much as I didn’t mind twinks at all, Blizzard wouldn’t have done what they did if twinks were not doing something to the queues.

I mean, from vanilla till now I’ve been BGing as it’s one of my favorite activities. The amount of times people complained about twinks when it was just a regular player out numbers the amount of times I was in games with twinks by a long shot.

@Erelir-bleeding-hollow

Also classic came out. If queues are even longer, which there is no evidence of, there’s no reason to point to the split as the reason with those two major factors in mind.

@Erelir-bleeding-hollow

I can tell you really want this to add credibility to your “I know it’s convenient to my argument and I have no proof, but believe me guys! It’s true!” story, but sadly it doesn’t.

I mean ques are 15 minutes + for me. They were 3-5 minutes before twinks were separated. More people = shorter que times… I don’t see why you’re so upset with what I want?

@Erelir-bleeding-hollow

You’re attempting to convince non-twinks to want you back because it will improve our queues

Congradulations on being able to read! It only took you how many responses in this thread?

@Erelir-bleeding-hollow

I promise you it won’t work.

You can’t promise something you know is a lie. More people = shorter ques, I don’t care how much you try and lie and say it won’t…XP off has been separated two times in this games history and BOTH times que times increased.

@Erelir-bleeding-hollow

We want you back because you’re a paying customer who deserves to enjoy the game in whichever way you prefer- but only within reason.

So… “you can only have fun in the game if we ruin your character progression or just wear bad gear”

Right…

@Erelir-bleeding-hollow

Make peace with the fact that IF it happens (big IF), there will likely be restrictions in place and rightly so.

They’ve been re-added before, I can request and hope they’ll be re-added again…which is literally what this thread is about. You clearly don’t and you’ve stated your opinion. Feel free to move on if you’d like.

@Gluttony-black-dragonflight

Doesn’t that contradict your entire point of this thread. lol

Nope. More players = shorter ques. Even if it is a small amount of players it makes for faster ques. It’s common sense.

@Gluttony-black-dragonflight

I don’t agree. Very different. Those premades are still made up of enemies who have the same stats as you.

Same with twinks…players CHOOSE to not have better gear and go into BGs with bad gear, then cry and complain that people are trying harder than them? It’s pathetic, really.

If you want to win, do your best. Buy gear, buy some enchants, and actually try. Seems like common sense to me.

[Holycow-uldaman]

@Pallymcpwn-moon-guard

The person who showed those ONLY showed stopwatch timers, which aren’t even accurate to ACTUAL BG que times. You can be in que for 5 minutes, start the stopwatch and have it show 5 minutes when the que pops.

@Pallymcpwn-moon-guard

Someone else accused me of calling mauden a liar as well when I said that it’s possible to manipulate a stop watch.

Do you think Mauden accurately captured their bg queue times or not? Or do you think Mauden manipulated their stopwatch to show false information in their screenshots?

[Pallymcpwn-moon-guard]

@Holycow-uldaman

Do you think Mauden accurately captured their bg queue times or not?

Yes, I already stated that he likely did but that there IS something different about the ques he’s able to get into and mine. As mine were 14+ minutes every time.

@Holycow-uldaman

Or do you think Mauden manipulated their stopwatch to show false information in their screenshots?

It was already stated previously in the thread.

[Holycow-uldaman]

@Pallymcpwn-moon-guard

Yes, I already stated that he likely did but that there IS something different about the ques he’s able to get into and mine. As mine were 14+ minutes every time.

What level bracket are you queuing for?

Are you queuing with xp on or xp off?

Are you solo queuing?

Are you queuing with party sync?

Are you queuing on a different account with a lower honor level?

[Pallymcpwn-moon-guard]

@Holycow-uldaman

What level bracket are you queuing for?

29

@Holycow-uldaman

Are you queuing with xp on or xp off?

On

@Holycow-uldaman

Are you solo queuing?

Yup

@Holycow-uldaman

Are you queuing on a different account with a lower honor level?

Nope, honor lvl 96

[Jugaa-grobbulus]

Maybe it’s only the 29s then. I started at 30s and I don’t think Mauden tried the 20s. I’m actually impressed how low the queues are with Classic out and end game being the focus for BfA.

[Erelir-bleeding-hollow (Erelir)]

@Pallymcpwn-moon-guard

More people = shorter ques

Yeah, yeah. We get it. That’s not what I mean. It’s true that a larger player pool will generally reduce queue times (provided that those players don’t just exacerbate faction imbalance). What I mean is, you won’t get people to want you back just for that small difference in wait time.

@Pallymcpwn-moon-guard

They’ve been re-added before,

They were re-added for legion. When templates were in place. Are you beginning to notice a pattern?

[Erelir-bleeding-hollow (Erelir)]

Interesting. You’d think that the 29 bracket would be among the most popular since allied races begin at 20 and free to play twinks use it.

Maybe there’s just many more horde than alliance there for some reason. Luckily anyone can just hop onto a zandalari or whatever to see if they really are 15 minutes long.

[Socked-skeram]

@Erelir-bleeding-hollow

You’d think that the 29 bracket would be among the most popular since allied races begin at 20 and free to play twinks use it.

Maybe there’s just many more horde than all

I think 110 bracket, along with 111-119 is the most popular.

As someone who spent half an expansion in those brackets, I don’t think you guys realize just how many character boosts Blizzard sells. Theres a reason why their sub count is tiny yet their profits are huge.

[Levarius-moon-guard]

I skip over the 20s due to throwaway twink/F2P shenanigans. I wonder if that’s a common thing to do.

[Gluttony-black-dragonflight]

@Pallymcpwn-moon-guard

Same with twinks…players CHOOSE to not have better gear and go into BGs with bad gear, then cry and complain that people are trying harder than them? It’s pathetic, really.

If you want to win, do your best. Buy gear, buy some enchants, and actually try. Seems like common sense to me.

This is a terrible argument. The average player in these brackets is leveling up and in there for some fair fun. Some do it for a change of pace. Twinks are there because it’s fun to smash people with questing gear. However, go figure, that’s not fun to everyone who isn’t a twink. They aren’t trying harder either. They have a specific goal which is to maximize the kind of gear they can have at a certain level. For the purpose of absolutely destroying everyone else. It’s pathetic, really.

It’s not a matter of winning. If I lose a BG where I had a decent kill count, with some fun fights, I’m not sad at all. If I lose a BG where a single twink was able to kill me in 2 seconds flat? I’ll just go back to leveling.

[Pallymcpwn-moon-guard]

@Erelir-bleeding-hollow

Yeah, yeah. We get it. That’s not what I mean.

Uh, no? It’s 100% what I mean. Like, that’s literally the whole point of this post…let me guess, next you’re gonna say my favorite color isn’t red? And that it’s actually purple?

@Erelir-bleeding-hollow

What I mean is, you won’t get people to want you back just for that small difference in wait time.

Let’s not talk for other people. I’m a person and my post literally says I’d rather have twinks back if it meant shorter ques…so go ahead and jot that down.

@Gluttony-black-dragonflight

This is a terrible argument.

No it’s not. Not at all. Players are complaining that they aren’t trying hard enough to compete in PvP.

@Gluttony-black-dragonflight

The average player in these brackets is leveling up and in there for some fair fun.

PvP is competitive, no matter how you look at it you’re wrong. You can’t complain and cry because someone tries harder than you.

@Gluttony-black-dragonflight

Some do it for a change of pace.

Which is 100% fine. It’s fun for people who try to win, too.

@Gluttony-black-dragonflight

Twinks are there because it’s fun to smash people with questing gear.

Or because they want to win? That’s literally the objective of PvP, to win.

@Gluttony-black-dragonflight

However, go figure, that’s not fun to everyone who isn’t a twink.

But nobodies stopping people from gearing their characters before fighting against other players who are trying their hardest to win…? The logic you’re trying to use doesn’t make sense at all.

@Gluttony-black-dragonflight

They aren’t trying harder either.

That’s the problem, people don’t want to put the effort to try and win in the game. They want everyone to wear bad gear so they can win. It’s dumb.

@Gluttony-black-dragonflight

They have a specific goal which is to maximize the kind of gear they can have at a certain level.

Why shouldn’t you be doing that at every level while leveling, though? I know I do on all my toons. Good gear, enchants, etc

@Gluttony-black-dragonflight

For the purpose of absolutely destroying everyone else.

Destroying people too lazy to make their character good? Sure. But PvP is PvP. The whole point of WoW is to make your character as strong as you can. If you DON’T want to do that, you DEFINITELY shouldn’t be PvPing.

@Gluttony-black-dragonflight

It’s pathetic, really.

Only thing pathetic are people too lazy to make their character the best they can, then going into PvP knowing their gear is bad and crying that the game is broken because everyone else is actually trying to win and having fun.

[Erelir-bleeding-hollow (Erelir)]

@Pallymcpwn-moon-guard

Uh, no? It’s 100% what I mean. Like, that’s literally the whole point of this post…let me guess, next you’re gonna say my favorite color isn’t red? And that it’s actually purple?

… What? I said, “That’s not what I mean.” No one’s putting words into your mouth.

@Pallymcpwn-moon-guard

Let’s not talk for other people. I’m a person and my post literally says I’d rather have twinks back if it meant shorter ques…so go ahead and jot that down.

Because you play twinks. That wasn’t a tough mystery to crack. I’m certain there are a few others too but I’d bet my left foot that there aren’t many non-twinks who would sign back up for x9 fishing hat-clad heroes in their BG’s for the ~30 second difference in queue times.

I can already feel you typing “WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THAT NUMBER FROM,” so let me remind you here that estimations exist and this is one of them. How much would you suppose that bringing twinks back would improve queues? 45 seconds, maybe? A minute?

[Pallymcpwn-moon-guard]

@Erelir-bleeding-hollow

… What? I said, “That’s not what I mean.” No one’s putting words into your mouth.

Oh, woopsie. Missread. My bad.

@Erelir-bleeding-hollow

Because you play twinks.

I mean I openly said I gear my characters the best they can be regardless of what level they are.

@Erelir-bleeding-hollow

I’m certain there are a few others too but I’d bet my left foot that there aren’t many non-twinks who would sign back up for x9 fishing

You realize that hat is worthless in comparison to alternatives, right?

@Erelir-bleeding-hollow

~30 second difference in queue times.

WHERE DID YOU GET THAT NUMBER FROM

I think it would be 2-3 minutes off each que. If you’re waiting 15 minutes each que like I am, that’s pretty significant after just a handful of games.

[Jugaa-grobbulus]

@Pallymcpwn-moon-guard

If you’re waiting 15 minutes each que like I am, that’s pretty significant after just a handful of games.

Each queue? I know you showed a SS of one BG, but you saw SS’s of a good 6-7 that were not even 10 minutes (highest was 8?)

[Pallymcpwn-moon-guard]

@Jugaa-grobbulus

Each queue?

Yup and mine were during the same time as everyone else was taking their screen shots of significantly lower times. So I have no clue. I’m honor level 96 and people said higher honor levels have their own ques I guess which is the only thing i can think of.

[Jugaa-grobbulus]

@Pallymcpwn-moon-guard

I’m honor level 96 and people said higher honor levels have their own ques I guess which is the only thing i can think of.

I’m over 300 HL and my queues were short. Think they only separate honor levels at max level. My point is, I’ve had a lower level queue or two go 30 minutes before, but that doesn’t make it the norm. Another thing is you said you queue for 29s. Maybe, for w/e reason, that’s not a popular bracket.

[Pallymcpwn-moon-guard]

@Jugaa-grobbulus

I’m over 300 HL and my queues were short.

Yeah I dunno, clearly It’s not the case for me.

@Jugaa-grobbulus

My point is, I’ve had a lower level queue or two go 30 minutes before, but that doesn’t make it the norm.

I mean I was testing and posting mine the same exact times they were and mine were consistently 14-15 minutes each time and that’s how it is all the time.

@Jugaa-grobbulus

Another thing is you said you queue for 29s. Maybe, for w/e reason, that’s not a popular bracket.

I mean other people had 29’s and their ques were a lot shorter.

Regardless, shorter que times = better for everyone.

[Jugaa-grobbulus]

Who? Only Mauden and I tested. I didn’t have 29s, did he?

[Pallymcpwn-moon-guard]

@Jugaa-grobbulus

I didn’t have 29s, did he?

Yup, he did every bracket almost.