Let's turn Cleave into an Arms warrior staple

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Saurfang was considered one of the greatest warriors Azeroth had, so much that even the Valajar and Alliance respected his might.

His actions and power inspired even the community, memes were cleaved into existence due to this warrior:
“No one knows Saurfang’s DPS. Nothing has ever lasted that long.”
“They say under his beard, is no chin, only another cleave.”
“Saurfang does not use his full strength with Cleave anymore. He thought one Sundering was enough”

i would suggest that Cleave become the new Slam and become a core identity ability much like bladestorm has, and act similarly to [Ferver of Battle] Talent, where the cleave itself hits the main target for X amount, and spreads to 3 targets, would keep its current rage amount, cooldown time, but also be allowed to be our buffed rage spender (how some Azerite traits and strength buffs boost slam or even make it completely free to use.)

Some might say “that’s overpowered” maybe, but this talent is largely unused by the community, and i believe giving it the respect it deserves would merit the change.

I have been testing and allowing cleave to be at the start of my rotation and it feels really good, the damage is not as much as i would like it to be (to really give it the feel) but the flow of Cleave>Whirlwind>Overpower>Mortal Strike is pretty fun, especially since cleave can cause deep wounds if you hit 3 targets.

And of course there is no static rotation to play, can build your own or try this one, but it would be very fun to add Cleave to the Arms core abilities and give it a real powerhouse effect with traits/talents etc (much like slam can go from hitting single digit thousand numbers like 4k+ to hitting numbers like 18k+

Tell me what you think, and if this idea is ignorant or stupid or you feel i lack more info, please let me know, ill be happy to do more testing :slight_smile:

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It used to be an Arms Warrior staple. It got turned into a talent for absolutely no reason in BfA.

also saurfang didn’t even use cleave once in the cinematic wtf blizz

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It already was at one point

Also i like your mog

Edit. Side note. I feel like for orcs, Arms warrior is the canon warrior spec.

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Correct back in the day it was a staple in Arms warrior’s toolkit.

though it was never really a powerful ability as it has always required x enemies to be strong.

what i would like to see, with the whole fervor of battle thing, is that it be strong on single targets as well as multi. similar to bladestorm which is powerful all around, this would be limited to 3 enemies.

as much as i would love to see it do the same damage to 3 targets all the time i believe the main damage on first target, lesser damage on the other two is fine.

If we were to work with sweeping strikes then all it would do to cleave would take the damage from the single target and spread it to the same amount to the other 2 targets.

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I like how cleave worked in legion

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Cleave is a much more exciting ability to set up than warbreaker. One thing I like about arms warrior is there is more situational abilities like execute, and think cleave replacing warbreaker would work better than replacing slam.
In general, I wish warrior still had the exponential buildup through rage generation instead of cooldown abilites and a core rotation. Overpower used to be a situational ability, but now it’s a flashy plate with a cooldown as part of the no buttons to press rage wait.

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I don’t remember Cleave in Legion… I don’t even know if it was in the game.

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I know this is about arms but i miss when prot had cleave (wotlk) and it was our multi target rage dump

Now we just have revenge, functionally the same thing but revenge used to proc when an attack was dogged or parried I believe. It was different.

Bring back cleave to prot!

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Yeah it was.

It was either free or cost/generated like 5 rage.

It increased the dmg of next whirlwind based on how many targets hit. At least, I think but for sure increased dmg of whirlwind.

It didnt do much dmg itself but there was a trait in the artifact where if you hit 3 or more mobs it released a little purple wave that did some nice dmg.

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That i believe is the biggest point of this. Cleave is practically as legendary as Saurfang himself.

Why wouldn’t this be the keystone of the Arms Warrior abilities.
Why wouldn’t this be as unique, as iconic as Mortal Strike /Bladestorm (id argue not even mortal strike is as iconic as Cleave as multiple classes have the functionality.

Id love if cleave could have some real power behind it, and the talent could be called “Let it be finished” and have some damage multiplier on it.

(Just an idea, not even a suggestion, but would be sweet)

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To clarify:

Cleave in Legion cost 10 rage, 6s cd, it will increase damage of the next whirlwind by 20% for each enemy cleaved (maximum 5 target bonus damage).

St’romkar’s Artifact trait Many WIll Fall increase the bonus damage by 2% for each level of trait.

And Artifact Trait void cleave will release void energy damage nearby enemy if cleave strike more than 3 enemies

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