Lets talk wows outdated systems

Lfg and no solo Q for playing arena/competitive pvp. no1 wants to sit in lfg finding players to que 1 match only to have them rage quit an spew hatespeech at you about how your boosted and dunno how to play while flashing their gladiator achievement they got 15 years ago. your past exp means nothing in todays standards, i watched braindeadly and methodman lose in 1700 mmr on stream and they legit got farmed like they was rats. solo Q needs to happen if you wanna have a future in this game.

Horde vs Alliance this is another completely outdated system that even the own games lore doesnt support anymore. give us cross faction, stop splitting what small player base you have left and let us play with everyone who enjoys the same game, having the player base completely split just ruins the overall experience for everyone its outdated and needs to be resolved. you can cash in on those sweet race changes and remove faction changes, having everyone on same faction but maybe have sub factions inside for the races and then unrestrict what can and cant be certain classes, if some dude wants to be a worgen paladin then let him.

Im be honest an ive played this game since the burning crusade, its currently living on the nostalgia of the old player base, people with old titles and tons of hours invested, it will not attract any new gamers and the systems are just to old to really get a new player base. getting into groups with no past exp or logs or parses is like trying to apply for a job with no work experience or college degrees. very few are going to take that leap an just take your word that you are an amazing player or hard worker.

These are some systematic changes that need to happen, if wow really wants to have a future in modern gaming and no not moving it into mobile or ps5 or xbox is going to make the outdated systems any better and attract new blood.

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I personally know a lot of players who started WoW over the last few expansions.

I’d say the WoW that exists now targets a pretty different audience than they did back in 2004.

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Ugh not another one.

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i know plenty who would rather play oldschool runescape than touch wow. esp ones who joined during the BFA expansion that was endlessly grinding ap and broken corruptions ect an all the issues with that expansion, while the game balanced is still out of whack there are tons of systems that are outdated that ruin the game for the overall player base and split player base and no solo Q are some of them.

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There is literally no problem with this other than you lose the e-peen factor of my faction is better than yours. which is basically racism just the horde hate alliance and vice versa. the games lore doesnt even support it anymore, we are friends fighting the big bads more than we are enemies, even in battle for azeroth we ended up teaming up. horde vs alliance hasnt been a thing since vanilla.

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There are other games you can play that doesn’t have factions. Stop trying to force WoW into a game suited for yourself.

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This has nothing to do with me, i personally dont care either way, i have a great guild im progging mythic stone legion generals, im gladiator in pvp on my hunter, i have amazing gear, ive done keys up to 20+. like im living the good time for a wow player who is actually good at the game, im thinking more about the little guys who spend all day in lfg looking for someone willing to give them a shot and finally saying f it im going horde were there is a bigger player base and most of them do well once they find that certain team, friend of mine got 2700 on his boomkin after being hardstuck as a rdruid sub 2k on alliance cause no1 would play with him when he was boomkin.

Like it or not wow is not designed around people like me who are at the top, it needs to be designed around the majority of players the ones who log on rarely and just try to have some fun, they are the ones the game needs to be fun for.

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It’s not going to have a long term future. And that’s okay. No game rules forever. With no actual information to back up this theory, I think people are waiting for the next great MMO to come out. And there are already plenty that are doing quite well like Final Fantasy, ESO and GW2. There’s plenty in the woodwork that’s coming in the future. And no I’m not calling them “WoW Killers” because the only thing that’ll officially kill the game is itself.

But anyway I disagree with all of your suggestions.

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You can be sure that when WoW’s playerbase starts to fall, combined with another game competing in the same market starting to rise, you’ll see systemic changes.

Frankly, I still think the next expansion will finally have a form of player housing.

In any case, we’re talking about a game that’s potentially older than some of the people playing it. If people really want a significantly different game, you’d think they’d have stuck with it long term by now.

And yet, people keep coming back.

game should open us and let us group que w/e we want
if people fail harder so be it who cares? its an option
long as the option to manually form groups is there who cares?
raid would have more people in it if u just group bunch of random strangers add restrictions

like having normal achieve to get into heroic first 3 bosses and having to have a set ilvl/ and 3 heroic kills to go other wings etc

this whole WELL MY COMMUNITY
no this community is by large toxic its time to accept that we will never get along

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Because at the end of the day we want to play WoW because it’s still the best on the market.

The game can always use improvements…but as soon as you change the focus of the game away from end game to content being designed around “the majority of players”, as the OP put it…the game will just become average and really open itself up to the competition.

The end game systems have always been what made WoW shine…not housing and the other silly systems that people keep asking for…like a dance studio

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I Agree and disagree.

WoW on Consoles would make a lot of sense and I’m surprised it hasn’t already happened. But at the same time, it might be a engine limitation.

In saying that though, I’ve been saying this since the announcement of Shadowlands. I feel they need to find some way to write in a plot device that moves Azeroth forward. Whether that be a time skip or whatever, they need to progress the world from 2010 Cata to 2021 / 2022.

With it, a lot of systems could use updating. But that won’t happen in a normal WoW expansion cycle, of around 2-ish years.

wow will never go on consoles with its huge hacker/botting problem

sony is very strict about its modding policy

You were not lying, your gear is indeed insane.

New player from BfA here. I like the game. If anything it’s the grumpies that are constantly complaining about the old days that feel like kinda a damper. I know they think their best days are past them but they need to move on.

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I agree with what you said but you really shouldn’t repackage Stoopz’ views as your own.

We are not “friends”. At best some individual Alliance/Horde members have made cross factional friendships but the majority of the Alliance/Horde see each other at best rivals at worse enemies to deal with after we deal with the current big bad.

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What? I would rather someone “repackage” an idea than post a streamers click bait video

And It’s not like GD hasn’t been discussing this in form or another for months already…maybe stoopz should stop repackaging our ideas

A lot of my biggest gripes with what WoW has devolved into are reflected almost exactly by popular videos I’ve stumbled across.

The LFG tool and the horrible grouping experience makes me not even feel like trying for 2100 this season. PvP and arena has always been the “meat” of the game for me, and I’ve thought for a few weeks now that solo queue would be a godsend, and I could just play and try to improve. People lose 1 and quit. Sometimes it’s a ragequit, sometimes the person quits out of embarrassment without any provocation or flaming.

Another major gripe I have is that they won’t balance specs or make half of them desirable. People figure out the “meta” and optimize and play, and that is not the playerbase’s fault. That is bad design. There is a popular video which proposes what I’ve always believed: specs and talents that nobody picks are “incomplete” parts of the game, and the content itself needs to use niches to create desirability for ALL specs.

Maybe these are just obvious solutions to obvious design issues. At least from a player’s perspective. What do the developer’s think? We don’t know. They barely say anything. They do less and less Q&A’s that take seriously what players have to say now.