Either the drop rate needs to be increased dramatically or the amount of seeds needed per pattern needs to be reduced. As it stands right now, given the weekly lockout of ST with 20 players, there wont be enough seeds per raid for everybody to complete their epic patterns in the course of this phase.
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Everything that comes out of ST drops at such a low rate/amount gear included that there is no way anyone will be near completing anything with 1 week lockouts and 8 week phases.
Everything in phase 3 is broken and poorly designed honestly. We Got maybe 5 seeds for 20 people. The loot looks like it was tuned for 10 man honestly. They don’t seem to understand how almost anything works.
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Pretty obvious they retuned the raid last minute for 20 players since going from 10 person raids to 40 in one phase had the potential to just kill AoD overnight.
At this rate ( lots of people in my 20 man raid needing 10 nightmare seed) I will be able craft my epic shoulders in 5 weeks if I dont buy from auction house !!
2 weeks before the phase ends ??
lol
on my main we did “everybody need” so I didn’t keep track of them but on my alt we passed them all out evenly after only killed 6 bosses and everybody got 2 seeds. You can easily get 2/3 seeds for every raider a week if you do this and you will only need to purchase a couple seeds on your own.
Alt runs will also inflate the seeds as there are players who play without professions and you can also acquire them, albeit rarely, outside of the raid.
Leave the last two bosses alive so the trash respawns. Farm the trash. It’s really that simple.
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We got like 150 seeds our first raid before whatever they changed. Thank god lol
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It’s 3-4 per lockout with a full clear per person in the raid if evenly distributed. That’s 2.5 lockouts to craft an item. They can also be traded. The drop rate is significantly higher for the latter half of the raid.
I’m less concerned with the seeds but more concerned with the essences of earth needed for the tailoring shoulders. 70+ g each when I checked yesterday, and according to wowhead, only really drop off of high level mobs in silithus and even molten core, with a lot lower chance on some of the fire elementals in felwood. I know the drop % isn’t always entirely accurate, but feels kind of odd that the materials needed are not effectively farmable in our “proper level” zones currently available to us imo
yup. I was going to post the same. I farmed out an extra 48 seeds this method, someone in the guild said they were going to make a low level alt raid so we can just farm 100s of seeds a day.
speaking of farming… it would be nice if we could click our eggs to summon that last boss once a day 
The only reason Gnomer craftables was cheap is simply due to Gnomer being on a 3 day lockout. You have more runs per week, meaning more supply on the market. With ST being on a weekly lockout, itll never get cheaper unless there are more runs with alts or the lockout being brought down to 3 days instead of a week. Have fun spending 200g+ for one craftable.
seeds should be farmable by herbalism! Just pick some flowers in the incusion areas or even in ST with a chance at getting a seed with the herb
I’ve been doing trash farming runs. Averaging about 30 seeds per run, not including what drops off the bosses.
So if 20 people need 10 seeds each, 15 with shoulder enchant, that’s 300 seeds total. Which is 10 lockouts of JUST the green dragon trash. I’m guessing there’s more from the dragons themselves too. Seems reasonable, but might be strained for people doing dual crafting.
You can get them from the flowers after getting the exalted trinket.
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so you killed 1 boss
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ill look forward to that day in 2026 since i get 1k at level 50 rep a day lol
wait… who am i kidding, i wont be playing this after MoP sod comes out in sept 2024
They drop primarily off the Green Dragons, so if this is the case you likely didn’t get enough bosses down to trigger the green dragon trash.
agreed the only thing they were generous with is the epic silly on use items which is nice but players want to get sets and gear to be more powerful, it hurts when ur pugging because it went from 10 to 20 and ur guild loses alot of gear because there just isnt alot, i was think 4 tokens would drop per boss which would be ideal
I got mine when they were 8g each lol