How many people need to say that they’re being abducted by aliens for it to be evidence that they’re being abducted by aliens?
Let me ask this first – what number would you accept? You threw that at me, so what number would cause you to accept that premades are an issue? And that getting rid of them might cause more players to come back
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Moving goal posts.
The original number you were looking for is this:
I’m not the one who is making a claim based on random interactions
This was quite the goal post shift nevertheless
The amount is irrelevant to me as long as how the amount is found accurately represents the player base
Your personally biased interactions with people shouldn’t serve as anything remotely close to empirical data
I’m also not sure you could ever prove that getting rid of premades would increase EBG participation, but I’d be open to suggestions on how
I wouldn’t call them random either, everyone who responded would have had a self selection bias.
And if the question was asked in chat, while in an EBG, it’s even less random.
No, what’s actually insane here is you arguing that the average player doesn’t have a negative view of premades. If your argument is truly that it’s not true, and I don’t have evidence because the conversations I’ve had all existed within a vacuum, then I don’t really care.
I would queue more often if I knew premades didn’t exist. I know plenty of people in these posts that would also queue more often. I know the average player would as well. If you don’t believe that, that’s fine – it’s not my job to convince you.
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Well, no, you infer it. You don’t actually know it.
I’m not arguing that at all. I’m arguing that you don’t actually know despite claiming to
I have no doubt that this is true. But everything after it is your best guess based on your own emotional investment
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I don’t think it’s based on emotional investment – just common sense
Implying a lot here
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This is how you fix a lot of the epic premade problem…
https:// us .forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/argument-for-removing-sanctuaries-and-warmode-on-certain-pvp-realms-to-revitalize-pvp-gameplay/2046411
Not a whole lot to imply.
People want to experience PvP – EBGs have the least individual responsibility, so they go there – encounter premades – stop queueing for EBGs.
Players don’t have to deal with premades anymore = more players queueing. I think the logic is pretty solid
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Now that gets to the core of the problem.
And that’s some people in this thread.
If I was participating in a game called slap face, and I knew that my team could potentially be selected by me, even though the rules don’t suggest that it should be. Why not stack as many Brock Lesner sized mountains of men to slap the face right of the enemies skull, with no regard to the disorganization or lack of muscle on the other team, or the fact that now that they don’t have faces and obviously will lose the match, and will choose to never compete again.
A queue sync teams fun is important to them. Their participation is participation, while it’s obvious that it’s going to decrease other players participation.
Wait. Is this thread for real? People actually care about random bgs/rbgs and premades?
Mostly just people acting like they have “common sense” because the male belf paladin Jonnyace in <Silvermoon’s Finest> told them they hate queueing EBGs because of premades… while in an EBG
I wouldn’t say it’s obvious which was my entire point, to be fair
I’ve said multiple times that I think EBG premade communities are full of losers, period. Que syncing unrated, casual content to farm people doing their weekly or trying to farm honor on an alt is low-T behavior, and I’d personally love it if you couldn’t do it anymore
But making bold claims about the overall EBG population to back up obviously shortsighted solutions for selfish purposes is stupid, simply put
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its gotten out of hand. I have no reason to play as a PVP only focused player. can go 3 hours 10-20 games and get 9 honorable kills. The abuse macro and addons for ques. Rated times are unfathomable. At this point they need to design a ban mechanism on top of a whole new category of Solo Que NONRATED BG. I feel like a clown for paying for a subscription this month. Who treats their consumers like this and why haven’t the made a fix for this? “They can’t because it’s the players” Is an excuse that doesn’t work it’s a quitters answer. So do the developers want us to quit? Or are they going to adapt keep the game from death and make some changes so this isn’t the last call for WOW going down the drain. I have seen some problems ignored forever since BC. This is like a big enough deal that the game is literally unplayable. No i’m not interested in joining the abuse train and sitting in a discord of 40 goats bleating over eachother, it’s gross, not my style. To each their own but it’s seriously trash to those of us that don’t want to cheat the game and are you kidding that none of this is against the T.O.S ? are we so sure of that? MicrosoftBlizzardWhatever need to grab that ban hammer or forewarn it in a PSA and make some serious changes to BG types to que for and a detection system sophisticated enough to stop the abuse from making the game unplayable for the non-bleating goat 40 man discord playerbase. Which I hope is most of us. Maybe we’re the last of a dying breed. Prayers for wow PVP.
Right. So, if EBG population was X with multiple communities queue syncing to kill solo players while they queue dodge other queue syncers(using 2 addons to help dodge a challenge), we would need to know some currently unknown info to determine if making EBGS queue syncing free somehow would increase total player participation.
We can do some guessing and say we believe the increase in players that would play EBGs if in game group limits were enforced would surpass those that would quit EBGs if they couldn’t queue sync fast wins, but it’s mostly based on assumptions. None of that matters if Blizzard employees felt strongly that enforcement of in game group limits was a priority regardless of participation results from changes in enforcement.
I prefer Solo BGs(Rated content) as player manipulation of team rosters seems more difficult and less common.
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Lets be real, things have gotten way out of control with premades and Blizzard is not going to do anything to help the playerbase. Only thing left to do is to hold out from joining epic bg’s. If enough people stop participating, it will draw attention.
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Getting farmed by premades exploiting to get an advantage in epics isn’t the ‘big pool’, it’s quite the opposite actually.
But yeah man, epic premades definitely help the community!
[01:26:21] [I] [80:NotAnExploiter-Hak:2]: yeah, we are playing against this multiboxer’s premade
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[01:27:12] [I] [80:NotAnExploiter-Ble:7]: they were in the last bg
[01:27:16] [I] [80:NotAnExploiter-Alt:1]: more like poopoo peepee
[01:27:37] [I] [80:NotAnExploiter-Ble:7]: yea
[01:27:51] [I] [80:NotAnExploiter-Sto:2]: again?
[01:27:54] [I] [80:NotAnExploiter-Ble:7]: yep
[01:28:00] [I] [80:NotAnExploiter-Ble:7]: 4 this time
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[01:29:16] [I] [80:NotAnExploiter-Sto:6]: oh yay joining a losing game
[01:29:16] [I] [80:NotAnExploiter-Sto:2]: new peeps this is a horde premade for farming for honor
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Just a word of caution, I would blackout the name or part of to avoid an unwanted forum vacation. If the player you mention saw this post, they’d have a clear right to report you and get it taken down technically.
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