Let's talk about Sub Rogues

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Is there really a problem with them? Are they really that strong? In the hands of players like pika for sure… They seem crazy… But how many of you are actually playing against players like Pika? I hardly ever run into a rogue where I’m stuck that is not easily countered with a stun or fear at the right time.

Should all PVP be balanced around people like Pika? Does it really even matter at that level? Everyone playing up there is already the best… At some point you are balancing around egos just so people at the top can win more games, no?

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What? Even terrible sub rogues are extremely hard to kill.

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So don’t kill them? They are for sure not hard to disrupt their goes and still win.

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How about adjusting them to be killable because right now tank specs are more appealing targets

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Why though? If you stop them from doing their window and you kill someone else you still win?

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Because they’ve made an attempt to ensure that most specs can die but Subtlety is somehow the exception

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I would actually argue that ret and disc priest are very tanky and take just as long to kill. Stop a rogue from doing his burst window… Make him burn his CDS and win? A rogue with no CDs is the most squish easy to kill target in the game.

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I don’t imagine this exchange can serve any purpose, pikaboo subscriber.

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The problem is rogue has so many training wheels with its current toolkit every rogue with a basic understanding of his class feels like Pika.

Previous expansions I found them much easier to deal with as a mage and I counter them. Now every night elf sub rogue takes every fraction of my focus to take out despite what sometimes is a massive XP gap between us.

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I actually don’t subsribe to any streamer. I’m using Pika as an example of what actually makes sub rogue OP… The skill of the player.

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Regardless, any spec that turns into a super saiyan god in the hands of the 1% and flops for the bottom 99% is an extremely badly designed spec. They need to nerf the ceiling and maybe bring up the floor.

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That makes the most sense. This was a forum for discussion after all. Do you think that it is possible that is how it was designed to reward those who play it well? Is that bad design or design you just don’t agree with?

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Almost every spec rewards you for playing well.

Subtlety doesn’t deserve to be as powerful as it currently is just because low mmr players struggle to utilize the kit.

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They would then have to balance other classes around a kit that was easier to use for lower level players though?

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Difficult to make adjustments for low mmr play in a game such a wow.

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Sub kit is just insane it’s the reason why they are hard to play. They have TOO much kit. It needs to be pruned. Remove shadowy duel, remove vanish dr, remove cloak bubble, nerf gouge to 3s as a starter to bring them down to the level of other classes

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in the hands of people 66% worse than pika it is still broken beyond belief.

in the hands of people 80% worse than pika it is broken beyond belief.

in the hands of some1 that watches kalvishes youtube video and just copys what he does on a target dummy in between queues it is broken beyond belief.

MAYBE in the hands of some1 trying to play the game one handed it is balanced.

classes being unpunishable freaks is bad for the game.

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This. Rogues have no counters, they have a button to deal with any situation the hardest part is choosing which of these several buttons they want to use for the situation.

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“sub is hard” died with the legion rework

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This is not rock paper scissors… Not sure why every class needs a counter? Everyone is acting like you lose 100% of games there is a rogue at every skill level… Which is not at all true.