With the coming of Wrath of the Lich king, we all know that Naxxramas (40 man) is going to be moved to dragonblight to become the starter level 80 raid and that eastern plague lands will be changed to be the death knight starting zone so the Naxxramas 40 man will cease to exist. This is how it was back in the day and it happened much to my regret and many others with whom i have known throughout the years. with it, the 40 man raid took some iconic weapons and encounters with it, never to be seen again, until wow classic came about.
Now, this doesn’t need to happen again. we can have both instances. we can have 10 man and 25 man versions in dragonblight as well as the 40 man in eastern plaguelands. how can we do that? great question i would love to tell you. we have a few options that i can think of: firstly, it can be reminiscent of the current sword being stabbed into the planet in silithus in the retail version of wow. there is an NPC at the beginning of the zone that can change the entire zone from bleeding sword back to a time before the sword appeared with the click of a button. Basically, this is familiar code and would be easy to implement by blizzard if given enough resources. are those resources worth the end product of keeping the 40 man naxx? yes, yes it is, according to many players i come into contact with every day. I am not alone in wanting 40 man naxx to continue into wrath.
another option for this would be to simply add a 40 man version to the already existing dragonblight raid, but i think this is the lesser option to pick because of logistics. nevertheless, this is still an option.
another option would be to keep the entrance of 40 man naxx either in the same area it is currently or move it to another area within eastern plaguelands and just not give any regard for it. this is the back handed way to do it but i would appreciate it anyways.
arguments against this idea of keeping 40 man naxx that i have encountered:
It would make those who are going crazy raiding naxx right now every week to have exclusive armors become less cool in wrath because they were anticipating having unique model gear in the future only to find out it will still be obtainable after. this is an argument i don’t really have an opinion on and don’t mind either way, the problem i have with that is the fear of not getting an item i want out of 40 man naxx because too many other people want that item and no matter how hard i try i fear i can never get it because there is a time crunch involved. do i want the items? yes, but obtaining them does not allow me to play in moderation before the drop of wrath classic.
another argument against this is: “but it doesn’t make sense in the story/lore”. this argument point i actually have a counter argument for. classic in its entirety has come about according to the cinematic because chromie had a time machine. it does not need to make sense in that regard. additionally, in the regular warcraft lore, time travel and jumping dimensions is not unheard of at all. opening portals to different worlds is a regular occurrence, and the time lords do their thing. also, there is a quest in dragonblight where you see your future self and you fight together. time travel fits in the lore perfectly. one can just refer back to this and all is well and balanced.
one last thing i would like to bring up: death knights entering naxxramas. first off, who doesn’t want a death knight with a corrupted ashbringer? I mean come on, this is the ultimate aesthetic in wow. we have never seen it unless transmogged in retail but even then it’s a long shot to find someone with that. Let’s get a death knight in a full icebane set and a corrupted ashbringer. I gotta see it!
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Naxx 40’s exclusives get rotated out but 10/25 has 2 meta mounts and the immortal/undying titles. Exclusive goodies get replaced with new exclusive goodies.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with items becoming unobtainable. plus we have foresight now. Naxx pugs are always happening so get as much as you can before it’s too late
I just hope that the technology is better than it was in the day with character tracking in regards to that feat of strength. So you dont need to have an item from KT in your bags for proof to get it.
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Nah it wouldn’t fit with the “Classic” feeling, it would ruin my immersion to have two different Nax versions in the game (Classic Andy response)
The real answer here is you need to play Classic Era servers for it, sorry friend but at the end of the day that’s just the answer here.
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yeah if people actually cared about their exclusives from Naxx 40 they would ahve already gotten them. You have had a year and a half to do so, and likely will have almost 2 years before it disappears.
Edit: This time everyone knew that, should Wotlk become a thing again, that naxx 40 would cease to be. Having known about this this time around, no excuse to not have gotten what you wanted. At least the complaints back then were somewhat understood because people didn’t know it would cease to be.
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I disagree. if you were on a dead server and can’t get a raid put together then this rings untrue. You could have been trying every week to get your items and not had success because A: it didn’t drop or B: you couldn’t get anyone to help you. if you are referring to before TBC then you had a limited time to get it before nobody cared and even then you were running a raid where a substantial number of other people wanted similar if not all the same items as you.
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“uhh I can’t be arsed to put together a raid for it right now so blizz should make it available in WOTLK”
nah
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That’s not my situation. I actually run from 4-6 naxx runs a week. I’m attempting to look at the bigger picture.
the current situation if you want to get in that regard is that Bliz has all this new content for people to play, you have regular raids you want to be doing, you have the main stuff they want people to play like rep grinds and dailies, and yet, if you want to have it all including the soon to be unobtainable, you MUST no life it. there is no time to play conventionally and organically. you have to play the game on full throttle and get it before it is gone. the time crunch to make sure you have it all is a pressure i wish wasn’t there. aside from that, however, i do not think blizzard wants people to choose between spending time doing new content and doing old content. if you do both, it is/can be very time consuming. given more time (especially because this expansion is/has gone by so fast) those pressures and time constraints can be lifted.
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It’s not going anywhere. You are the one leaving it. But you are welcome to revisit it anytime you like in Classic Era.
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Idk I wouldn’t mind it staying in but I don’t care that much if it’s gone. The magic of t3 and the naxx40 stuff was from not experiencing it at all, but after half a year of naxx in classic I really don’t care that much lol
Protip: don’t be on a dead server.
Obviously you realize you’re less then .0001% of the population. I get that you want access to naxx post tbc, but I can save you some time in letting you know it’s not going to happen. And i say that with no malice friend. These people will just make fun of your opinion and your energy will be wasted. This is the abyss your shouting into, not the blizzard feedback and response forums.
Everyone seems to be on board with naxx 40 leaving because they all got their mythical t3 and naxx transmog in time before blizzard takes it out, so grats to those people. But what this post and others are trying to do here is not sway those who farmed the items but keep the 60 community alive for twinking and those who missed naxx 40 that still never collected their sets or didn’t have time. Coming from someone who’s ran Naxx 40 even during classic and tbc nonstop since launch over 80+ times. Sure keeping naxx 40 open when some of us have every single equipable item in the place would be a slap in the face to what we’ve earned. But I’d rather the community of people who still enjoy running the raid and also 60s that want to continue to do so to have the chance forever. We only got to do this a 2nd time coming because the community asked for classic. What’s the harm in asking for Naxx 40 to stay forever this time around. We already burned those bridges of “no changes” and “original feeling” with no LFD finder and no race/faction transfers or other changes. The twink community is highly hated on by people who do not care for it, this time that same community is doing the same exact thing pushing it away from those who really want it to stay. For those who do it please look at it from a perspective of enjoyment just like you would enjoy WOTLK content during current and past tense always going back to kill the LK and going for his mount. Imagine that was taken away from you after all these years, you’d probably hate the idea of a good fun raid that was taken away for no reason. Sure Naxx 40 had a reason to go away because it was revamped in WOTLK but whos to say Chromie could easily keep a timed version in EPL still through a visit to the past. Wouldn’t harm anyone, gives people more time to enjoy what was lost all those years ago.
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For pity’s sake, please use paragraphs.
The exclusivity of those items is removed with the raid being left in the game. Very few reasons to leave it in tbh, it would be cool but from a practical point I don’t see it.
I would like to see it stick around - I for one don’t care to much about the items remaining exclusive. Before anyone says it’s because I don’t have all the items I want from naxx I shall preface.
I have all 4 atiesh staves and I might be the only person whose been sweaty enough to grab all 4 of them - all 81 pieces of t3 including all 9 rings - and every single drop from naxxramas spread across 9 characters - including currently 4 corrupted ashbringers. There is nothing I could possibly want out of naxx item wise.
The raid is simply iconic and although I admit that classic SOM being around will allow players to experience it forever - that is a tall barrier to entry for some. Leaving someway for players to re-enter it like from the old removed stratholme entrance would be cool.
Naxx as well as ZG and ZA are raids eventually removed from the game and either replaced or revamped - strath - scholo - sunken temple - dead mines - and UBRS are other examples of removed and revamped content.
I’d like a way to revisit them without having to make a whole new character again on a classic realm. I’ve already done that. I don’t want to keep having to do it whenever i’m feeling nostalgic. Will it be the same as doing it while it’s current content? Obviously not - but I’ve already relived it that way - we all have.
I’d like to be able to go back and take a look or for new players to classic be able to go take a tour without having to make characters on SOM - and Classic Wotlk just to see what a raid or instance used to look like. Because we all know most won’t bother otherwise.
Atleast with classic’s design either way the content won’t be dead - SOM will keep naxx alive in it’s true form. I personally would like to be able to walk the halls of the necropolis in the future of classic regardless of what level my main has become. That being said - for others who have not grabbed every item they want or only grabbed the few they covet because they know it will be removed soon. I understand the idea of it losing some of it’s special “magic” as it where should the item never being removed and I respect it. Should in the future naxx get removed I will parade my small museum of 9 60s around org for people to look at as they shall remain 60 forever - regardless of whatever expansion we reach.
please forgive the poor grammar - I didn’t bother editing this.
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Dam dude, you’re ballin’
Again, it isn’t being removed. You are the one that chose to leave it when you continued to roll on a progression server. True Naxx will remain where it always has been: in Classic Era.
There is nothing wrong with any of the points you are making. There is no real reason NOT to do these types of ideas.
THAT BEING SAID.
If you listen to any of the interviews with classics lead, you will notice a trend of “Do we have the resources to attempt this idea?” They might care as a team about doing a lot of QoL changes, and giving players what they want but blizzard as a company is not giving them a real team to manage this project.
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