At least on my server, this is a big problem. There will be multiple hunters either unguilded, or in a guild no one has heard of, eagle eyeing, completely shutting down all competition. The chances these individuals, who are on 16 hours a day eagle eyeing for lotus, are gold sellers, is pretty high. It has gotten to the point where i started a character named Lotuscamera and will level him and bring him to winterspring as this is the only way to have a chance at lotus. I think blizzard should take action against obvious lotus botters/gold sellers. Edit: i am trying to take action into my own hands by coordinating with horde to kill these individuals.
Use the report feature.
Hunters and Shamans can’t farm ZF bridge so I don’t see a problem with them being able to scout lotus if they feel like it.
I’d be all for making lotus a rare extra from any herb like swiftthistle, but again, this is classic, the goal is to bring people back from “alternative servers” rather than confuse these people and change the game beyond recognition.
To say blizzard is not dealing with people selling gold/botting is disingenuous.
“Eagle eye exploit” is not a thing. Using eagle eye to find lotus is nothing more than a smart use of the ability. It’s not an exploit. Don’t refer to it as such unless you enjoy getting laughed at.
Botting is the problem here if anything. Focus on the actual issue and not a useful class ability.
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100% agree with you. I have 2 accounts so I use my 60 hunter to eagle eye for my mage on my 1st account.
The problem I think most people are running into are the same group of the same hunters 24/7 camped in the same spot exhibiting bot like behaviour. Obviously I can’t prove they are botting but they give every indication that they are.
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What is it with people calling the intended use of the ability an exploit on these forums?
Seriously, you’re using Eagle eye to see things from far away. How the hell is that an exploit? Am I missing something?
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There are a bunch of legit players on my server that have parked level 14 hunter alts in Silithus/Steppes/Winterspring/EPL and use those to search on separate accounts from their main.
I get that there’s probably also gold farmers doing it, but using hunters to search isn’t a bad thing in and of itself.
I don’t do it, but I also don’t see it as the specific problem.
There are also some suspicious level 60 hunters with pets with chinese names that I do suspect are gold sellers.
Yeah, you’re missing how this post is specifically calling out bots and not clever players.
Eagle eye exploit implies there’s something wrong with the ability.
I got that they were talking about bots, thank you. Obviously botting is cheating.
The title of the thread implies using eagle eye as an exploit, which is not at all accurate. The OP called it an exploit. It is not.
Whether or not he meant it that way is anyone’s guess. If he didn’t mean that then he chose his words pretty poorly.
I feel like the use of
makes the point of the post pretty clear.
A lot of it is implications, though, like talking about being on 16 hours a day, or being in suspicious guilds or none at all. I’ve used that logic to make determinations that a great deal of characters on Herod before the ban-wave (and now that char creation is opened back up) were bots that contributed immensely to the queue problem during primetime, as have many other players.
I felt like it was pretty obvious as to what the intent is. Even the title saying
Gold selling hunters
is pretty clear on its intention about discussing violations of the terms of service, and the eagle eye use is just the example of a means to the end.
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It’s not an exploit unless you’re a bot. But the changes Blizzard made to BL did nothing except give those people who were getting most of it to begin with more.
I’m pretty sure Blizzard didn’t intend for farming to be done in raids where you have hunters spamming eagle eye for days and several others positioned between spawns. But it is what it is. I just don’t bother to flask anymore.
Report them and kill them?
How dare classes use the abilities that they are given!
No, it’s never an exploit. Botting is the exploit.
The changes they made to black lotus had nothing to do with any exploits, “mafias” or botters. It was merely a change to address issues with having the same potential supply of black lotus with a much higher server population.
Yes, precisely. It is what it is.
Maybe not on your server. On mine there are at least three hunters spamming eagle eye. Sitting at or in between each spawn point you have other members of the group. Not sure what your definition of lotus mafia is, but that meets my criteria.
Now you have the same people with an even bigger supply.
Not crying, just stating fact. There’s nothing to be done for it. I’m resigned to using arcane elixirs in raids since there’s virtually zero chance of me farming any lotus. I’m sure as hell not going to pay the mafia for them.
I think you misunderstood. I’m saying the reason for increasing black lotus spawn points and spawn rate was to create a more vanilla like population to black lotus supply ratio. The reason was not to break up mafias.
Using eagle eye isnt exploiting.
Finding black lotus doesn’t mean you are a gold seller.
Some people play the game 16 hours a day.
You sound like a salty forum weasel crying about not being able to get easy lotus.
Ah okay. True enough.
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I agree. Eagle Eye is an ability. Using it is never an exploit.
Even a BOT using an ability is not an exploit. Only botting itself is.
Those are not bots.
Eagle Eye lets you SEE things on a computer screen. You only “detect” things at a distance by SEEing them. Bots cannot SEE things things on a computer screen. Only humans do that.
But feel free to call a Black Lotus harvesting group of players “The Black Lotus Mafia”. They just aren’t bots.