I honestly want to have a real conversation about this, all crying aside. Just a pure reflection of logs, numbers and facts. All love for coming to post and reflect on what’s posted <3
This will be mainly highlighting the hate of MHunters this phase and the current incoming nerfs. I’ve lost count how many times HUNTERS have been nerfed throughout these short 2 phases. I understand they seem powerful and for most common gamers who are just raiding with their casual guild or doing casual pvp here and there. They get hit by a hunter or see their numbers on a graph and instantly think JESUS this is INSANE. IF we take a look at the current top 100 DPS on warcraftlogs who are logging their runs:
Within the top 10 DPS, there are only 2 hunters, #2 and #5. With a fire mage being above them sitting at #1. 6 total Fire Mages in the top 10 and 2 Destro locks
Lets scroll down, out of the top 100:
15 Mhunters
55 Fire Mages
29Destro locks
ONLY ONE WARRIOR
Why is the focus and hate so fixated on Mhunters? Is it because the other melee classes aren’t up to par and aren’t receiving love from blizzard? So again… the majority of top tier dps is FIRE MAGES>DESTRO LOCKS> MHUNTERS. Why don’t we see conversations about how OP mages are? or how good Destro Locks are doing? Why do we only see melee hunter nerfs and no nerfs to the other 2? The numbers are clear on that graph. The clear lack of buffs to the other melee classes, Pallys, Warriors, Rogues, Cats. Why do hunters keep getting blamed for the lack of attention the other classes are getting. Maybe I need to refresh my known definition of “balances/balancing” but this isn’t it.
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They really need to buff hunters severly for our other runes, hunters been the #1 most nerfed class in sod since the beginning and no buffs whatsoever besides giving us heart of lion with other aspects.
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They should remove all runes except priest and let priest be the only class with runes
I think that’s the best way to achieve what is their clear design goal with SoD classes.
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Warriors got absolutely ignored again. Ret paladins one of the strongest pvp classes because of their toolkit got a damage buff because of pve dps. Blizzard needs to figure out if they want to balance this game for pvp or for pve and let us know because you cant do both.
If warriors arent top dps… they are absolute trash in pvp. They dont have a toolkit to lean on, they arent range, they dont have stealth, no CC, no sustain, 30minute defensive CD, no roots, no burst, healer pools are drying up because of meta hybrid dps casters, and without at least one healer we are useless.
Why didnt blizzard just make warrior unplayable for SoD, they are already doing it passively.
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What’s also wild to me is the fact that a lot of the conversation is the disparity between DPS but the main focus is STRICTLY hunters. Again, as far as logging goes, it makes absolutely zero sense to me. When you have 2 other classes that are ROLLING everything else. Also I see this happening in the forums all the time, other people hate on the specific class so much that they start flaming the player just expressing their concern on the forums? What is the point of that? When the concerns SHOULD be reflected at blizzard. NOT the PLAYER. NOT the CLASS, Blizzard. Plain and simple
Top 100 parses are not indicative of overall class balance.
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It’s a good enough measure or indication for competitive play, don’t you think? I wish a had a Bot or the sheer will to count and separate 100k players lol.
Yes and no. It’s good to see what’s working and what’s working WILDLY out of control.
Raptor strike was 1 ability doing around 70-80% of their damage vs other classes who had to have a valid rotation in order to do anything else. The rotation to achieve that kind of DPS should be… either more complex or adjusted. Having that 1 ability do around 1,000-1,800 on a given day is a lil crazy.
What should have happened is mongoose/carve gets introduced into the mix of actual damage abilities for melee hunters to achieve that damage.
The nerf stings more in this phase than other meta builds (Scorpid poison, wind serpent shenanigans) because in P2 ranged is pretty bad and melee was our top option. With no buffs to counteract it, we’re sitting low again on the meters. Luckily we provide kings to the raid.
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Delusional devs do not understand logs obviously.
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I completely agree with this, but again the lack of rotation and usability that a proposed “melee hunter” has is caused by poor planning from the dev team. But here’s another swing at that, the main source of damage for destro locks is incenerate which is roughly 45% of the damage they deal in most fights as per the logs. For mages is Scorch at about 33% of their damage, at the very least they do have a “rotation” but they have 1 skill that stands out above all else.
I also saw someone’s reasoning behind hunters being okay is just strictly having a raid seat because of the utility we provide with tranq shot (later on) and now kings. I’m sure others outside from that singular notion would rather not be “utility” and an actual class that can climb the meters and be competitive.
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Some classes are simply not allowed to be stronger than others. The only classes that are allowed to be powerful are paladin, druid and warrior. Unaspiringly, these are also the classes played by WoW’s biggest streamers.
Influencers sway the minds of their minions → Their minions start spamming the forums demanding nerfs to X class → blizzard folds like an origami and caters to their whims.
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Seems valid, the underdeveloped brain is a wonder.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Lots of the forums are faux outrage over imagined slights and inferiority replicated by endlessly spamming the same notion in an echo chamber of people also set to benefit from the outcome.
People who stand to benefit from their class being buffed cannot be taken seriously when it comes to requesting buffs for their class.
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Hunters have been nerfed over and and over because they have been OP…
Must be nice to be perpetually broken. This “nerf x class over and over” woe is me argument is so irrelevant and frankly childish. If I’m overpowered, I expected to get nerfed.
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Yet they nerf druids and priests…
So, you would agree Fire mages and Destro Locks are “broken” since they’re doing more if not the same damage as Mhunters?
Their priorities are certainly odd, but the buffs and nerfs we have gotten are still warranted. Hunters have needed nerfs, just because other classes also need nerfs they aren’t getting doesn’t mean Hunter shouldn’t be nerfed
That said I do wonder why they seem to only do a handful of classes at a time. You’d think for seasonal content with its naturally shorter phase cycles they would want to adjust everything that’s out of whack all at once, then make smaller changes here and there…
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That’s a valid question, is it lack of Devs and/or testers? I suppose the main problem is the consistency of nerfs that have mainly only happened to hunters. Especially now when other classes are performing at the same level as what the public is deeming “OP”. Mind you I agree to some nerfs, including those of the pets when they were one shotting squishier classes.
The lack of love to other classes/specs is alarming as well. Affliction Locks/Frost mages/Warrior class in general/Cats. These fragmental “hotfixes” or “tune-ups” need to end. If you’re going to release something, that’s not immediately urgent, do it all in one patch and cover your bases.
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Not only broken but destro locks use a terrible gameplay mechanic (Lake of Fire) that is a borderline exploit in nature to do their PvE damage, and as a result it has hurt them in PvP.
40% of warlock fire damage is extremely difficult to get make use of in PvP. In fact locks have tons of bad mechanics. So yeah, nerf lake of fire.
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