My personal preference since i started playing back in the day was addon free. I have recount, and questie right now.
Back in the day before blizz made updates i also used gladius for arena, thats it.
I like a clean UI. Some of the custom UI with addons you see in some peoples screenshot is ungodly gross. I am sure that works for them, but i think bliz got it right.
With that being said, they are allowed and if they do not break the game or do anything against the ToS let people use them.
In regards to the elitist issues and parsing. I dont participate in parsing and all that, but people who want that do not bother me or affect the way i play the game.
Like alot of people have said on the subject and they are right, i agree, just dont join that raid or make your own.
I personally dont care to play with a bunch of dorks sweating ranking in pve in content. Its legit childish.
But they are not hurting wow and they are not hurting anyone.
It isn’t elitist to use addons.
You can just download curseforge and type in whatever add on you can think of and then install it in a few clicks.
Or don’t use them. None of them are necessary in any way.
I guess you’re upset about visible poor raid performance and so here we are with this anti addon thread.
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Imagine thinking that using addons is elitist.
Yep, only us Leet players use Questie or map addons that show coordinates.
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Never played retail so I could not tell you.
I did play the Vanilla beta all the way to Wrath, though, so I can tell you what it was like before modern add on design
I am not saying add ons are bad. I am not saying it will be better without them. I am saying I am interested to see what happens if they are taken away. Do we see less gatekeeping? Do people focus more on doing boss mechanics instead of parsing? Do you feel more achievement when downing a boss? Is it more fun?
Concur. Add-Ons are not elitist in any sense. If you played back in '04, you wouldn’t be screaming. 90% of us used fishing bots to farm for raid. Yes, you read that correctly, bots.
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WTF does this even mean?
Addons have been part of wow since 2004.
Remember the OLD Decursive which would decurse the guy that was cursed/poisoned/magiced/diseased automatically by simply spamming a button instead of having to click on a square?
Yeah Addons were a lot more busted back in the day.
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This and some improved accessibility and graphics options are all I’d ask for, really. It’s probably not outlandish to assume the active player base in WoW at any given time is only growing older, and with that comes aging, less-functional bodies and organs. I can only speak for myself, but right now I have trouble seeing mobs in a couple sections of Gnomer because of dark corridors; I would say that it’s intended to be this way to surprise you(at least until you memorize the locations), but the rest of my raid group sees them perfectly fine at a distance.
Similarly, the “spell density” option in graphics is not very effective at reducing spell effects while still showing you what you need to see; if set to “Essential,” you still see a lot of effects that aren’t really “essential,” and you can still miss effects that are “essential.”
Not to mention - and this is a far bigger problem on retail than Classic - red swirls to indicate AoE on a slightly darker red floor, that not even colorblind modes help with.
Sorry about the tangent, but yeah, just DF UI customization options and a couple accessibility options and I’m perfectly fine with no add-ons at all.
Issue is you guys aren’t good even with the add-ons.
Imagine without them.
You going to fail mechanics even more?
Add-ons provide information, it’s up to the player to do something with the information provided.
Most of you can’t.
There are some addons I wouldn’t mind losing. There are some that I might literally not play WoW without. Especially Classic WoW.
This game is twenty years old. In video game years, that might as well be centuries. No, I don’t think we need to be forcing ourselves to play this creaky old decrepit corpse of a game without the addons that make it tolerable.
Like you play with dbm I bet and you still get killed by Gnomergan Beam.
See what I mean?
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Easy pass. I’ll keep using my add-ons. You can play without them btw
lmao you’re like a dog with a bone. You do realize how our interaction today has gone so far from an objective point of view, right?
I pointed out in that other thread that posting on the forums as much as you do has left you a bitter, unhappy, and unstable person.
You proved me right by sifting through my logs on a third party website so you could hound me about a pair of deaths on a single boss from 5 weeks ago.
And now you’re bringing it to a second thread because you’re so desperate for validation and acknowledgment that you can’t help yourself.
I feel sorry for you, so I’ll give you the reaction you need just this once. I hope it helps fill that gaping void inside of you for at least a few seconds <3
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Between a couple guilds that threw in the towel before I got CE for the tier, I ended up with 600 wipes on M Jaina in 8.1. It took me three more raid tiers before I finally turned my animosity toward the game for being a complete crapshoot, instead of toward the different people I raided with for not “gitting gud.” This seems like an absolutely horrible way to design the game, and is one of the easiest ways I’ve seen in a video game to harbor a terrible community.
I 100% would prefer no add-ons if it resulted in either of these:
- Simpler boss design that a group can more easily coordinate and kill in a more respectable amount of time, or
- People throw in the towel far quicker because they’re even worse without add-ons - even on stuff FAR easier than mythic raids in retail - to the point that they don’t even want to attempt something that they have to use nothing but their own wits for, resulting in either an even more elitist - and much smaller - top end raid community, or the skill ceiling is just lowered a bit.
I honestly don’t care what the end result would be; I’d be at least slightly optimistic if Blizzard would even give it a try.
I did mythic raiding in Legion and got 3 Cutting Edges.
The issue is the fights are designed with add-ons in mind.
The difference in skill between players is those who can process the information the add-ons give them.
People think add-ons just make mythic raiding easy or play for you and it couldn’t be further from the truth.
Most of the players especially on the forums can’t process the information they get with simple era mechanics let alone anything challenging.
Their focus is on their actions bars watching their abilities light up, this is how people die to beams or die in fire or don’t get out with a raid killing mechanic.
Do you not play with dbm?
If you do, nothing I have said was wrong.
leatrix plus alone is such a qol improvement. as are so many good addons.
i don’t get the anti-addon sentiment some people have. are you just boomers?
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For real. That one is a godsend imo.
I could easily live without Details/other damage meters, sure. But I don’t want to live without Questie, GatherMate, Leatrix, Gargul, TomTom, Spy, ECS… the list goes on and on, to be quite honest.
With Classic being such an old game, UI addons are pretty much a necessity to make it playable.
I started playing December 26th, 2004.
Do you remember the addons that we used to have back then?
I do.
They literally played the game for us.
Way to out yourself as a botter.