Since if you unlock it you can use it on a draenei paladin. can anyone make sense of this?
like how are you gonna use the light when you are this corrupting disorder thing. Isnt that worse than undead paladin?
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This is why Blizz needs to create Class/Race glyphs or options in the barbershop.
All the Paladin races would feel better with racial enhancements to their spells. Mana’ri could use fel green in their paladin spells, Night Elves with silver, Darkirons maybe with red, Tauren with more of a sun coloring.
Aside from that I couldn’t really come up with anything justifying them. In my head I just imagine a Man’ari either being cured or becoming Lightforged by accepting the light and being able to use it to the degree of a Paladin.
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Light came to Archbishop Benedictus so why wouldn’t it come to Man’ari?
Besides the Nathrezim Death Magic which logistically would be rapidly purged by the Light leaving only the Fel.
Light hates Nathrezim/Revendreth Death Magic(because the Nathrezim dared to spy on the Light while abducting one of it’s Naaru) and attacks it every time it comes into contact with it while ignoring Maldraxxi Death Magic and Bastion Death Magic.
Remove the Nathrezim Death and the Demons & Undead can use the Light with complete impunity!
Of course it should take longer for Undead to purge themselves of Nathrezim Death as it’s part of the Magic keeping them animated alongside the Maldraxxi & Mawsworn Death Magics so the Light has to slowly replace it which should be an extremely painful process.
Only Archbishop Faol used the Light enough to purge the Nathrezim Death Magic from his body leaving an Undead animated by Maldraxxi & Mawsworn Death Magic and Holy Light Magic.
As for Light coming into contact with the Void: According to A Thousand Year War combined with Shadows Rising if you walk into a Void Portal your body unleashes an immediate Light’s reckoning on the Void getting immediate painful retaliation(shown in A Thousand Year War) only for both to calm down and let you keep walking normally inside the Void as an embodiment of the Light(shown in Shadows Rising).
A Lightforged using Void will have the Light attempting to subjugate the Darkness to it’s will as likely as not so they will be less affected by Shadow than other Lightforged thus explaining Lightforged Shadow Priests and Warlocks(there is one known Lightforged Warlock in Canon by the way and he becomes entranced by the power).
How about a Manari wants to be a Paladin, and then he is?
I don’t see the issue. Nothing precludes it, as evidenced by them existing. People seem to want an issue where there isn’t one.
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This one isn’t even too hard, actually. The Man’ari don’t have to think they’re good or anything. They just have to think “this Light seems really powerful. I want to use it, I deserve to use, so I will use it. It will bend to me, it wouldn’t dare defy me.”
And then they will be be able to use it. The physics of Light in Warcraft is somewhat unintuitive, but it follows a strict rule set. If you think you can, then you can. The cosmology as it is now is new-ish, but Metzen knew that the Light was the Green Lantern’s Light back in Of Blood and Honor. So like, 20 years ish?
Fun speculation aside: did M’uru actually grant the Blood Elves any power, or did they just gaslight themselves into thinking it did, and therefore their own belief gave them the power?
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Conversely, they may simply think “Put a light sword in my hand and let me cut the other way as I have done before”
Simple, and exactly what I did.
Make something up.
I love doing this contradiction stuff with characters, so I just used a vague “for some reason the light decided to reach out.”
Because really, who cares? Even in RP it’s not that serious.
Anyone who takes lore in this game seriously has lost the objective. It’s always been loose with half of the stuff in it.
This very character for example, Worgen, the playable race, are literally in the description Gilnean, yet in lore, DK Worgs are somehow not Gilnean. Literally the only class, and defying the very description of the race. And this was back in Cata.
I think worgens existed already, but the curse hadnt taken over the whole of Gilneas. Greymane was a worgen from the start. The player would be one in a million but its not outright impossible to be a Gilnean worgen pre-cata from what I understand.
How come the broken lost the ability to use it? Because the whole thing about broken being reviled by some Draenei was tied in with this. After they became corrupted by fel or whatever did it to them, they could no longer be paladins. I definitely dont buy that they still can but didnt believe hard enough lol
The Broken of Draenor were hit by the Red Pox(as per Chronicle Vol. 2) which was based on the Curse of Sethe which was designed to darken the victim of the disease removing any radiance and health within them regardless of what the radiance is(the radiance of the Sun, the radiance of Light or even the radiant blue of the Sea).
It would probably cut off the Kyrian of their brightly colored Anima and do the same to the Twilight of of the Night Fae and the Hyperlight of the Brokers despite them all being Death. The Curse of Sethe(and thus the Red Pox even when Fel-tainted by the Horde) is designed to darken and wither everything period!
If the Ogres didn’t need Arcane the Red Pox they based on it would have robbed Arcane-use as well thanks to the Curse’s darkening ability.
The Broken of Argus who are merely Fel-mutated without the Red Pox in comparison still have Hooves(despite having the telltale Wrathguard face all Broken have) and don’t have any Lost Ones in their ranks and no report of them being cut off from the Light.
I think it works well enough.
One thing they’ve been doing with the NuCosmology is that Cosmic Powers aren’t quite so antithetical anymore.
Light used to be antithetical to demons and undead. Cause that’s just classic Paladin fantasy. But in the new state of the universe, there’s a lot more wiggle room.
Now, the only cosmic force that is in direct opposition to Light is the Void.
The other 4 cosmic powers are just adjacent.
Even Undead are only burned by the Light because they have a buffer of Shadow (Void) binding their soul to their corpse. It’s that Shadow the Light takes issue with, not the innate status of Undeath.
So a Demon wielding the Light isn’t too crazy in this day and age.
If anything, you might headcanon in some discomfort/difficulty wielding the Light.
After all, even if Light and Fel aren’t antithetical, Light definitely leans towards the Order spectrum.
Sargeras used the Light to manipulate the Eredar into joining the Legion. Man’ari could try and subvert that by returning to the Light.
Don’t know what to tell you… they didn’t believe hard enough. The behavior of the Light as Green Lantern powers has stood unretconned for two decades. It’s one of the most consistent things in all of Warcraft lore. It’s how it works.
What happened to the Broken is exactly the same thing that happened to Tirion in Of Blood and Honor. But I know with 99% certainty you didn’t read that, so that reference is lost on you, isn’t it?
Actually, the OG Broken (that is, those from Draenor) were literally severed from the Light. In Draenor, there was an entity called Sethe. Sethe was a Wild God-esque entity who was associated with the Void.
Sethe was killed by the avian gods, Anzu and Rukhmar. But where he died, his blood pooled. And from his blood was born the “Curse of Sethe”.
Anyone who makes contact with the blood is cursed. It’s how Arakkoa became cursed. Any Arakkoa that came into contact with the blood had their bodies degenerate, losing their wings. Their minds also degenerated and they lost any connection to the Light/Solar magic their society was built around.
At one point, the Ogres used Sethe’s Blood to create a magical sickness called the Red Pox.
Later, when the Horde first formed, the Shadow Council modified the Red Pox into a new weapon that took the form of “Red Mist”.
And Draenei that came into contact with the “Red Mist” were afflicted by a degeneration similar to what the Arakkoa suffered.
Their bodies physically malformed.
Their minds lost lucidity, with the worst afflicted falling into a near-feral state.
And they became unable to contact the Light. Not just a loss a faith, but physically severed.
For a Broken Draenei, it is impossible for them to wield the Light.
That said, there’s a second group of “Broken”. Those from Argus.
Despite looking similar to the OG Broken and being called the same thing, these Argus Broken never suffered the Curse of Sethe. As such, despite none of them using the Light during Legion, it technically shouldn’t be impossible for them to do so.
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Tyrant Velhari and all the man’ari paladins and priests in WoD. The man’ari are masters of all magics including the Light and Shadow. Paladins and priest Man’ari aren’t new they’ve been around for years.
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Lightbreakers who punish dissidents in the Legion with capture and torture using the magic that hurts them the most.
In the new Warlock quest line, you help a LF Draenei with his use of fel magic. He mentions that he feels as if they can be used alongside one another. I would assume this works vice-versa.
Personally, I think it’s a ridiculous combination…. but if they just kinda push them to the back and maybe add some NPCs to justify it (like how they did with the Orc priests in Org) then idc. Maybe the justification is that the man’ari want to use a different power, as to not continue using the same magic that they used to destroy multiple worlds/torture/kill people with.
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we don’t need to make up an excuse, There’s already a lightforged demon in canon and that’s above Paladin, literally infused with the Light
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I’m in the wait until it happens before you worry about it.
Anything is possible with the right story.
To many of us… all you Draenei are Manari already.
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A combination that also has no problems.
the Forsaken have holy priests canonically (not just shadow) so put a hammer in their hand
Same way as the Void Elf Priest can be using Light Magic when they are clearly void or how Mag’har Orcs from AU Timeline can be Warlocks instead of being Pure and outlawed The Fel out of their Mag’har Clans.
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