We already have in PvP and PvE, so we’ve sort of earned it. The Alliance already has in MoP. The new Horde has never, ever had a victory. Time to 1-1.
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The Horde is already falling apart (again).
That’s because you keep following genocidal maniacs.
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You misunderstand, but maybe I didn’t type it in a way that expressed my point. Gameplay. Raids, PvP. As of right now, the Alliance is, like you said, winning in the story.
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if we followed or beloved genocidal maniac named Garrosh we would win not lose though.
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The Alliance should win the war and the Horde should suffer severe consequences as result, to the point where people question whether they were right to incite a civil war amongst ourselves. That would be the only outcome that makes sense in this story.
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Are you new here?
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Is something wrong? I’ve been here since burning crusade. The Azeroth-based Horde has never won a war. The Alliance has in MoP.
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You don’t get to win the story because of faction imbalance.
Especially when the story points to you having been losing it the entire xpac.
It’s a BE poster, nothing to see here fellas.
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I assume it is the writer’s to whom you are appealing when you ask for a victory, because no one else can give it to you. And when you ask for a win, whom shall be declared the victor? Because if it’s Sylvanas, you will have won nothing at all except death, or enslavement in undeath to an Old God.
A true victory for the Horde would be the ousting of Her Majesty the Lichqueen Garosh P.II, and the placement as Warchief someone that actually cares about the welfare of our people. Baine, Lor’themar or Talanji…any of them would be worthy.
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This type of posting is very trollish, please refrain from doing so, else it undermines your point and makes it look like you have no actual strong arguments.
Perhaps you are right in that the story should not reflect our gameplay’s effort’s, but also, perhaps it is unfair that it does not.
Now respond to my other points.
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As of now, the Alliance has won a war against the Horde 1-0. I am asking for the Horde to finally win its own, and then maybe after, Sylvanas becomes the raid boss and our civil war can depose her.
The problem is that Sylvanas’s idea of winning is for everyone else to die.
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I don’t think that’s true, and it’s never even implied. Please prove that she actually wants the whole world to die, because as of now it is implied that ‘this war is peace’, in other words, conquest to provide stability. “Ours is a cycle of hatred”
I could see that, if it were at all possible to have an outcome of Horde victory that didn’t involve N’Zoth winning it for us. Unfortunately, J. R. R. Tolkein isn’t around to write a semi-believable, out-of-the-blue heroic salvation for us.
The reason Horde don’t win the story in the game is because looking at it from an outside perspective. It doesn’t really send a great message. Think about it.
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Crazy Warchief decides to mass murder thousands of innocent people.
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Said Warchief’s faction wins the war, uniting the world and all is at peace?
Just seems pretty odd from a narrative standpoint. The Alliance lost northern Kalimdor, and many lives. They were pretty much mocked out of Lordaeron. Won at the Battle of Dazar’alor only for the fleets to get reset by Azshara. Plus as much as Horde rips on Alliance for being evil. If the Horde won, why have any reason to believe they’d spare the Alliance? Alliance proved they would spare the Horde upon winning at the end of MoP. But Horde has shown that victory under their banner means no prisoners pretty much, look to the dead in Ashenvale and Teldrassil. Sylvanas may have given the orders but Horde manpower still executed them. No mercy was shown at all.
The Horde got to evacuate their civilians in Lordaeron. Meanwhile there has been pretty much no justice for what happened to the civilians in Teldrassil/Darnassus. The best way to go about this is Horde lose the war, and Alliance are declared victorious. But after Sylvanas’ death they move past the fighting and albeit begrudgingly for the Night Elves, we form a new lasting peace.
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Yes, and the only way for conquest to provide stability is if anyone who could threaten her is dead. She is so utterly terrified of dying again that she would put the whole world to the torch to get rid of any potential enemies.
Here’s an excerpt from Before the Storm:
She was no longer a Dark Lady or even a queen. She was a goddess of destruction and creation, and she was stunned that she had never understood how deeply the two were intertwined. Armies, cities, entire cultures – she could raise them.
And fell them. Stormwind would be among the first, yielding its people to swell the numbers of her own.
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I am also frustrated that the writers are so, not going to call them bad because they’re not, but I will say limited, in such a way that it actually causes some people to believe that removal of factions would make the game better. There’s better ways BFA could have happened without the complete destruction of Sylvanas’ character.
You seem to have nothing significant to say other than insults, so I’m good with you.
I could see Jaina and the rest of the leaders teaming up with our rebellion after Stormwind burns to depose Sylvanas. That would send a bright message.
There’s also fear, though. And although it would be temporary, all I’d wish to see is her winning the war for us, for at least a moment.
Way to dodge, not like your worth anyone’s time other than to prove you wrong, I’m having fun watching people do that. Being a die hard Hordie doesn’t get you a “win” from nothing.
Sorry this isn’t a safe space for you.
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If you wanted me to listen to you at all, you could have worked to make yourself more presentable like the other people (who have stronger points) I’m taking time out of my day to respond to in this thread. Seeya.
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They’re already setting up the rebellion. Lor’thremar and Thalyssra have agreed that Sylvanas needs to go.
Again, the only way to “win the war” is to defeat the other side. And what she wants to do to accomplish that is to kill everyone who dares oppose her. She’s the enemy of all living things, the position we’re in now is that she can’t be allowed to win.
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