Let monks use their weapons

Im a real life monk. Literally own a chain of Dojo’s in central Florida and lived in Okinawa. We punch and kick and grapple. No one in the martial arts world fights with weapons. Sure they might get up there and preform kata with them but you will never hit a person with a live weapon in training.

Don’t ever come at me with “Real Life Monks” nonsense.

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You are not a real life monk. You are a martial artist at best, Steven Seagal at worst.

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You play monk cause of the fantasy of using your bare fists to fight.

If you want to use your weapons play a rogue.

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I play a monk because I like being a mystical martial artist, a martial artist that infact wields weapons.
I would like to use the items I have equipped.
There’s nothing wrong with allowing the use of weapons via glyphs.
The stance people have in here that you have to be one or the other is a joke.
Rogues with their weapons still do not do the same thing we do.
You will find that even if we used weapons, we still have kicks and jabs, and likely would not all go away.

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I miss using weapons, I wish there were a glyph to re-enable them. Weapons have always been a major component of martial arts themes and fantasies, and it’s unfortunate to have lost that aspect of the class.

In my dojo we practiced with swords, staves and escrima sticks. Staff was my favourite.

Edit: And yes, we practiced actual combat with them. Boffer versions, not live weapons. Also with heavy sparring gear.

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Brought something up that’s similar last year.

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Fist weapons are the only weapons that you actually use, the rest just sit on your back. Monks fit my playstyle considering I use to teach taekwondo for a living for over a decade, rolled one as soon as they came out, but like Jdeez said, disarm weapon doesn’t work on us, so if using weapons makes it so players can, then that’ll be a nope from me, dawg, lol.

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yea let em suck on our toes when we kick em in the face.

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Yeah oooookkkkk there buddy. Probably just some middle aged balding white guy, Steven Seagul wannabe. Not even close to being a real Monk. Get to level 60 Monk in WoW then we will see lmao.

Hi there wanna be youtuber Glaxyfist… but without the gladiator achievements. The Walmart version of Galaxyfist.

First I am Japanese and French, so Asian and Latin. Not that my ethnicity matters at all when it comes to religion. And being a monk is religious. You can be a shinto monk (like me) a buddhist monk (if you don’t like meat) a hindu monk and even a Christian Catholic monk. Yes even Christians can be monks.

Balding white guy… well we established I’m asain and latin… so thats out. Then luckly my asain gentics prevents the balding part.

Now the middle age part. Yes I am middle age. I have literally spent my youth living in Asia training in Martial Arts before immigrating to America. I have then gone from nothing to starting a business, a single dojo, into a franchise that spans half of a state. While I am sure there are people in this world who have achieved such a feat in their teens/twenties, they would be the exception to the rule and not the actual rule. So yes, your are correct on my middle age. But a broken clock is correct twice a day also. So what have your created in your time on this planet? Do you have a business that you built from the ground up that now reaches across an entire state?

The great part about your insult of “Wannabe Steven Seagul” tells me you are not a martial artist at all. Like not even a shopping mall Taekwondo person. Everyone that actually does martial arts knows being called a Steven Seagul is the insult in it’s self. It is the equivalent of being called a fraud… since that guy is an actual fraud. The guy who’s curtails you tried to ride called me a “Steven Seagul at worst” (not a wannabe) because he at some point in his life practiced martial arts. You though have proven you have never practiced. You don’t know the terms and insults commonly used in the martial arts world. You’re an outsider of the martial arts world commenting on actual martial artists.

Anyway good luck in wow since your achieves show you have not done anything in game and good luck in maybe one day stepping onto the mat for real training which your insults prove you have not done yet.

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There were a lot of different types of monks in ancient times that used weapons. You say you live in Japan like that gives you some kind of intellectual authority but apparently have never heard of Sohei?

Also in HEMA we use real weapons all the time.

Do me a favor and slap yourself for me and stop posting.

First my being born in Japan and growing up there doesn’t give me any intellectual authority on martial arts but my spending more time training on a mat than most of you have spent on this earth does.

Hema doesn’t fight with live weapons and for the most is just a new version of LARP.

Hema will dance around doing their versions of two person kata. It is 100% choreographed. But the sparring is those big foam sword you see the LARPers use and rarely they will use blunt (hence not live) sword with zero edge on it. No one is using live weapons in the martial arts community today for fighting.

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Oh wow, you actually have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about…yikes. How does your post have so many likes when it is just factually incorrect?

yep, sure is choreographed larping with foam swords…whether the sword is blunt or not doesn’t matter, the point is it’s a real sword and the hits are real, HEMA isn’t about slashing and cutting anyway, it’s about poking and bashing, a blunt weapon can be just as deadly as a sharp one
my brother in christ PLEASE stop posting

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Per the Hema rules themselves.

HEMA Sparring

HEMA Sparring Swords are designed to be used for HEMA combat (specifically full contact sparring). They typically feature 2mm (approx.) edges and rolled or fattened tips designed to spread the impact of a thrust. Rapiers, feders and (some) sabres also feature flexible blades that are designed to bend upon impact when thrusting. They tend not to be historically accurate but are a good compromise between historical design and their required function. These features are very specific to HEMA “Sparring” swords. HEMA encompasses sparring, drilling and test cutting. In general, any sword that is suitable for Living History, Battle Re-enactment or Stage Combat will be suitable for most HEMA drilling exercises. But flexible blades with fattened tips are a must for sparring.

Swords must be made flexible and blunt (Not Live Blades) for hema sparring. I get that you watched a highlight video and think you are now an expert. The fact is Hema is a joke and right up there with professional wrestling.

**And stop telling people to not post in a forum just because their opinion is different then yours. And especially when their opinion so far has proven more correct then the nonsense you’re posting.

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What nonsense have I posted? Did you even read the whole comment string? He said no monks in history ever used weapons. I gave an example of some that did. He said no martial arts uses real weapons. I gave an example of one that does. He said HEMA is 100% choreographed and all foam swords and just LARPing. I posted a video showing that is blatantly false.

I don’t consider myself a HEMA expert by any means, but my experience with it certainly goes far, far beyond watching videos on youtube. I chose that one specifically because it’s simple and short and shows specifically that it’s not choreographed with foam swords. I also am well aware that weapons must be blunt. But as I pointed out, the hits are real because most “damage” in HEMA comes from the transfer of kinetic energy to the target, not rending flesh. This has been true all throughout history, not just in modern day “larping” as you people like to call it.

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Seems it is your reading comprehension that is lacking.

Slade said Wow Monks punch and kick dragons. Then said “No one in the martials arts world fights with live weapons.” Which is a fact they don’t. “Live Weapons” mean it is combat ready. It will kill. Anything blunted, softened, or changed to be less than lethal is considered a “Dead” weapon and that is what is used in training world wide.

Slade said they spar with foam and blunted weapons not live weapons in hema. Which is also a fact. Hema doesn’t use live weapons. No one uses live weapons.

And hema is a bunch of larp’ers. Seriously the dudes “Knight” each other like it’s medieval times. Their clubs even make up coats of arms and then require people joining their clubs to swear oaths of honor. It’s larp.

And this is a monk thread Hema belongs in more a Warrior/Pally/DK thread anyway since most train for plate armor fighting.

And lets not forget the official Rules from the official Hema sight even say the weapons are fake. They have to be flexible (bend so the blunt force will never happen) and blunted (so cutting/ maiming will never happen). They even take it further to require spring steel used in their making. That is the flexible stuff you see in movies so actors can’t actually hurt each other.

The video you posted isn’t even Hema. It’s from Russia’s world combat games. A event held every year to feature Sambo, Kyokushin Karate, Savate, and Russian traditional sword fighting which is also done with blunt weapons because again, NO ONE uses Live weapons in sparring.

Now let’s get this back on topic. You can go back and reread without your bias making you see stuff that was never said by other people. Stop telling people to hurt themselves (you did say he should inflict harm on himself because he disagreed with you. “Slap yourself for me” is your exact quote) and not to post here anymore.

Monks being traditional hand to hand martial arts masters in this game should stay hand to hand. The entire lore is based upon this fact.

Example: Bare-knuckle brawlers whos no-weapon style were born in ancient Pandaria.

Example 2: Restricted from using weapons by their slave masters, these pandaren instead focused on harnessing their chi and learning weaponless combat.

Example 3: Whatever their combat role, monks rely on their hands and feet to do the talking, and on strong connection with their inner chi to power their abilities

If you want something different then speak as to why, instead of just spouting nonsense.

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Bro…I wasn’t even talking about WoW, my original reply was to him saying no monks in history ever used real weapons. That’s it. And that is just factually incorrect. I assumed he was talking about real life and not the game because he spouted a bunch of stuff about owning a bunch of Dojos and living in Tokyo. I don’t want monks in game to use real weapons at all. When I said HEMA I didn’t mean the official HEMA organization I just meant there are people who practice with real weapons in safe environments, I know they don’t use live weapons I never said they did. Not everyone who practices HEMA goes full in on the cringe larping. Those people exist, yes, but they are actually not the majority and they definitely don’t represent all of us. For me personally it’s a way to help keep me in better shape than I would be, meet likeminded people to hang out with, and be more actively engaged with the history I find intriguing. I have never once been knighted or dressed up or larped. He also claimed it was all choreographed katas, which it just blatantly isn’t. There are forms and flourishes but they’re for teaching beginners weapon handling and building arm strength. No sparring is choreographed unless it’s to teach someone countering but that’s not really sparring at that point.

Me telling him to slap himself was just a juvenile joke, I didn’t mean he should actually harm himself. Slade if you’re reading this I apologize.

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I wanna use weapons as a monk! Panda Weapon animations are freaking amazing! I’ve also made this very same thread about 4 other times :frowning:

I wanna use my Warglaives! Make all the DHs jelly.

:panda_face:

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Again, your reading comprehension is failing you because of your limbic drive. AKA you need to reread and stop just answering to answer because your wrong.

First this is wow thread about wow monks, Slade replied talking about wow monks, where else can you punch and kick dragons. Seriously go back and read to understand, not read to reply.

Second he never says Tokyo, he says Japan, which is a major country and includes 100’s of Islands. Stop reading things that are not there.

Third just because your Hema is not larp doesn’t mean most are not. In fact most are 100% larpers. Every college group of Hema kids is always mixed with heavy larping.

Fourth you finally admit no one uses Live Weapons. Well at least that part is over. Slade said no one uses “Live” weapons and you have finally agreed.

Fifth you say Hema doesn’t do Kata but then you 100% describe them doing kata with forms and flourishes. Let me help a Kata is a preset of moves to practice a drill… aka a form/flourish. Maybe you said this because your ignorant and don’t understand what kata is or maybe your again just reading enough to get enraged and reply with nonsense.

But good move on the apologizing because if Slade chose to report you I am sure you’d get a forum vacation for that.

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He was the first person to bring up monks in real life. I was pointing out that that’s a dumb argument because there have been monks in real life that used weapons. Also he said Okinawa, I could have sworn he said Tokyo but I originally read it several days ago. Your anecdotal evidence about college clubs doesn’t mean much. Your personal experience doesn’t speak for the entire HEMA community, just as mine doesn’t, which is why I admitted there are people that do get heavily into that stuff. Once again let me repeat myself: I never said people use live weapons. Lastly, I know what katas are, and my original statement was a rebuttal to him saying HEMA is ALL choreography and katas.

Oh yeah and quit it with the passive aggressive limbic drive crap. You’re projecting.

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