Let Death Knights have more eye colors

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

@Monkiy-pagle

She looks like a Darkfallen

Not good enough by your own standards, have a lore source to back up your claim?

@Monkiy-pagle

and the part in contention is not sourced.

Neither is the statement that she’s Darkfallen.

You keep bringing up the need for sources, and demanding more and more after contextual clues point pretty clearly to something. But then you make completely unsourced claims and use weaker context to back up your idea.

So where’s the actual lore citation for your belief?

[Titanspite-stormrage]

i agree red, green purple eye colors

if they can make a burger king crown out of the helm of domination

they can add more DK eye colors

[Monkiy-pagle]

@Anthalaria-sargeras

@Monkiy-pagle

They’re citing a page that makes an assumption for the argued point.

“assumption”
Alright, everything on wowpedia is officially an assumption, lore that blizzard made is an assumption.
Like, what? Do you even hear how silly you sound?

Strawmanning isn’t going to help you. I didn’t say that. I said the argued point is an assumption the page made because it is not sourced, and there is nothing in game, or lore to corroborate it.

I’d say try again, but you’re the one making yourself look and sound quite silly. Best not to.

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

@Monkiy-pagle

is not sourced

Again, where are your sources to back up your claim?

[Milynde-malygos]

@Monkiy-pagle

She looks like a Darkfallen.

And a DK. Can you prove that the two are mutually exclusive in-universe?

@Monkiy-pagle

That was all but explicitly deemed unique, and separate to Death Knights when the customization was added.

Like I said, it’s likely a technical issue and not something they wanted to do, as opposed to them intentionally withholding the option from DK players with some in-universe justification, which leads to this point:

@Monkiy-pagle

Do you have any evidence of this, or just supposition?

Let’s compare the Night Warrior and Darkfallen options:

• Night Warrior - Created to be night elf customization in BfA. Originally, the eye color was tied to specific skin tones until they were uncoupled in BfA, hence night elf DKs can use the eyes due to an oversight that was grandfathered in during 9.0.
• Darkfallen - Created to be options for blood elf and night elf NPCs until they were given to players in SL. The skin and eye colors are coupled together even after being given to players, so you can’t pick one without taking the other.

It’s not unreasonable to assume that they didn’t have time or didn’t want to put in the effort to uncouple the Darkfallen options and decided to just add them as is, but the way the game handles DK and DH eyes resulted in some technical hoo-ha that forced them to only give the options to every class but those two so they could get the patch out on time. They could very well be looking into fixing that in the future.

@Monkiy-pagle

Nothing in game, or in any lore calls Lady Alistra a Death Knight.

Except for the part where she’s wearing DK armor, works in the Ebon Blade’s base of operations, and in the old version of Acherus can be seen demonstrating the use of several DK abilities.

@Monkiy-pagle

Yes, a trainer of Death Knights. That does not automatically deem her one, again, per Amal’thazad.

Amal’thazad’s title is “Arch-lich”, not something that strongly infers the bearer is a high-ranking death knight who trains others. You’re really going all in on trying to ignore the fact that the wiki page linked lists Alistra as having Unholy DK abilities. San’layn generally don’t have that kind of power because their default preference is blood magic, and said blood magic is depicted as being closer to classical depictions of vampirism than what Blood DKs use.

[Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord]

That settles it. I found something more baffling than the “high elves aren’t actually Alliance partisans” posts.

my brother in Thrall, she has death knight exclusive armor on, death knight voice lines, and most importantly IS A BLEEDING DEATH KNIGHT CLASS TRAINER

Claiming otherwise requires some evidence.

[Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord]

By your own standards of burden of proof you’ve also failed to prove she is a Darkfallen.

[Kiofea-stormrage]

@Lannislight-tichondrius

To match their specs

Blood red, Unholy green, Anima white, Maldraxxus green, Bastion white-blue, Ardenweald purplish-blue, and Revendreth red.

@Lannislight-tichondrius

And also let the non wispy eye be an option

Also empty eyes (no coloration and no wisps).

[Anthalaria-sargeras]

@Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord

IS A BLEEDING DEATH KNIGHT CLASS TRAINER

But…but… a non-death knight could totally know how to teach them…
/s

[Monkiy-pagle]

@Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord

she has death knight exclusive armor on

Armor is rarely exclusive. Even in Wrath you have Falric, one of the first Death Knights ever created, wearing recolored Warrior tier.

@Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord

death knight voice lines

Again, they aren’t exclusive. Many undead NPCs have “death knight” voice lines, even in Acherus there’s a Forsaken vendor that has both Undead and Death Knight voice lines assigned to him.

@Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord

and most importantly IS A BLEEDING DEATH KNIGHT CLASS TRAINER

Still haven’t discovered Amal’thazad this deep into the thread? Impressive.

[Sledgehammer-wyrmrest-accord]

Amal’thazad is labelled as a Lich. So clearly they could and would label her as something else IF SHE WASN’T SUPPOSED TO BE A BY-OUR-LADY DEATH KNIGHT.

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

@Monkiy-pagle

Still haven’t

You still haven’t posted any proof of your claims yet.

[Lannislight-tichondrius]

They were so quick w replies before I thought they woulda had their lore sources by now.

Cause I’ve seen them only really argue w people who are making lore points and pointing to things that builds a case.

They’ve yet to add anything besides their loud subjective opinion for their case.

And that’s not how you make a claim, you need sources.

[Tarrok-thorium-brotherhood (Tarrok)]

It does feel like I’m being ignored, especially since they’ve responded to people who posted after I did.

[Fenelon-wyrmrest-accord]

I mean they couldn’t possibly actually account for the holes in their viewpoint. That would make its holes considerably more apparent.

[Lannislight-tichondrius]

When I was googling for the name of the DK I remembered had red eyes I came across this older thread

@Monkiy-pagle

If you’re referring to Lady Alistra, the only closely related red eyed NPC to death knights, we don’t even know if she’s a death knight.

And while I understand having a stance for multiple years I would have thought they would have some sources by now like, you got nothing? In 3 maybe more years of saying this

[Malgorok-zuljin]

Man that one person has some strong opinions about if a DK is a DK

Kinda weird

[Lannislight-tichondrius]

I just think if you’ve been arguing for years on this you’d have some sources by now to back anything you’re saying up.

It’s not like this is their first discussion and need a minute to collect some citations.

Where are they lol

[Malgorok-zuljin]

Wait, how are they even fighting against that when

[Spyropurple-gallywix]

Would be a good idea to add them to your ignore/mute lists, it gets real tiring when people are highly allergic from backing down whenever someone posts WoWpedia, with screenshots and lore included.