If the Legion transcends other timelines - does that lead us to believe that alternate universes with any Legion influence or invasions are benefitting as a byproduct of our success?
I assume Blizzard won’t play with that idea.
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Most likely. But like said, I don’t see blizz touching it because than it just opens a can of worms they don’t or may not have answers to.
And IF they do, we might not like the answers given
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The interpretation of timelines as-per WoD → Legion was simple: there’s only one real timeline. Others only exist as mere possibilities, unless Bronze magic is used to make them real in a temporary and limited way. So there was one Legion invading one Draenor and one Azeroth. From their perspective, a second Draenor popped into existence with a second Gul’dan on it, which was neat, and opened some new invasion options for them.
Then DF came around and someone at Blizzard decided that multiverses were the hot new thing. The Bronze stuff in DF seems to suggest that the other timelines actually do actively exist, in which case, yeah, we probably saved them all. I guess. It’s stupid.
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what happens to souls in alternate timelines lol
does a dragon just say sorry gotta destroy you
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What happens if a person becomes a demon in one timeline, but doesn’t in another.
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There are 6 Ropes of Souls: 6 overall Souls that are the pinnacle of a person:
1 is the Soul of Death, the Soul of Light, the Soul of Disorder, the Soul of Order, the Soul of Shadow and the Soul of Life.
All claim the threads of a person’s existence that aligns to them.
The Draka of Maldraxxus is the pinnacle of all Drakas who didn’t get fully claimed by the Light, Shadow, Order, Disorder, Life or the Elements.
If a Velen fell to the Legion’s Corruption that one is carefully hidden as Kil’jaeden can’t comprehend the Infinite Truths.
That Velen would be in talks with Archimonde who sold out his people right from the start out of sheer lust for power rather than be manipulated into it like Kil’jaeden and AU Velen. He’d also be chasing AU Kil’jaeden across the Cosmos out of bitterness.
I would’ve liked it if one of the changes / “blades of grass” in AU Draenor’s timeline was that Velen saw the “true end time” (the same thing that Murozond saw) and sided with Sargeras, believing the Legion was the best way to combat it. Meanwhile Kil’jaeden rejected Sargeras, seeing what happened to his best friend and believed he had become a madman.
Archimonde can stay a power hungry jerk.
But alas the whole “one legion across all time and space” ruins that possibility.
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Steve Danuser established that when an Au character dies their soul becomes a thread within the rope of the Mu character. He also established how Death was about eternity, not linear time.
So when Au Velen died, his soul became a thread within the rope of Mu Velen’s soul.
It is currently unknown how those solely born in an Au like Uther Menethil (Arthas’ and Jaina’s son) function in this system.
Its also unclear on how Overlord Geya’rah and the Mag’har work with this. They hail from an Au, but their coming to the Mu is implied to have been apart of the main timeline.
Its unclear how an Au character becoming a demon when their Mu counterpart didn’t, functions with this system.
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They should’ve just left it vague instead of trying to answer those questions ad hoc, even though the fanbase would be tearing their hair out needing a firm answer. Too many stupid doors are now opened as a result.
It especially falls apart when you consider that non-Demons can become Demons, which means all the Legion needs is a foothold in the timeways for silly things like a million Archimondes or Mannoroths to be a thing.
From how its explained its one demon in all timelines. Around the time of this “One Legion, All Realities” reveal they admitted that the situation with the eredar was ‘difficult.’
It gets even more confusing, especially the situation with Sargerai for example, a group that only existed in AU draenor. There’s no mention of them in the main timeline of Draenor.
Unless blizz meant the Eredar from Argus. That’s not really difficult since the majority will become Man’ari in ever single timeline regardless.
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Yeah, I forgot the Pit Lords were naturally demons. But Archimonde is not, so theoretically they could infinitely recruit themselves across every timeline. There’s also the issue of… y’know, The Legion wins in a lot of timelines, which means they take Azeroth, which should mean game over. Unless this is the only timeline where Azeroth is special and that’s why it is the One True Timeline! (lightning crashes, thunder rolls, Garth Brooks eats a donut)
This is the trouble of leading with Rule of Cool then inventing half-baked explanations after the fact, I suppose.
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The only Saving Grace is every alternate timeline, unless tampered with or tied to the main timeline, dissolves as quickly as they show up
Meaning pretty much every single one of those timelines won’t affect anything in the end. The only one that has had an affect on the main timeline was AU Draenor, but that was the exception to the rule and not the norm for how alternate timelines work
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Well, it used to work. Dragonflight’s handling of things showed entirely too many well-established timelines with massive compounding differences going back millennia at least for the “other timelines quickly collapse and fade away” thing to still work.
Presumably because they wanted to capitalize on the rising trend of canonizing fictional multiverses in entertainment, despite having previously established that a persistent multiverse couldn’t really be a thing with how Time was supposed to operate in the WarCraft universe.
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It gets really confusing with Exarch Othaar. During the Alliance questing experience he becomes Socrethar, but nothing is done to suggest that he is the same Socrethar from Burning Crusade. It’s to the point that he has two pages on the wiki because how they are suppose to relate to one another isn’t clearly defined.
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Exarch_Othaar
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Socrethar
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I always assumed that the Legion’s meddling in other timelines was either in service of a greater plan in the main timeline or that it was effectively just acted as a sort of training for them.
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This whole thread is full of reasons why time travel and multiple realities is a pain and 90% of the time not needed to tell a bloody story.
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This feels like another for the “fans put more thought into it than the writers” pile. While I like your creativity, maybe let’s avoid the headache of doing their job for them.
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Its just what I infered from Steve Danuse’s September 2020 Q & A with Lorekeeper.
Below is the exact transcript of it.
Lorekeeper: We’ve done some stuff that’s involved with time travel and alternate realities. What happens to those souls when they pass on? Do they go to the Shadowlands?
Steve Danuser: This is a complicated question. How do you deal with things like alternate Draenor? There was a Draka there. What is that Draka? Is she alive? Is she dead? Is she related to the Draka in Shadowlands that we see? Or is there another Draka? We know that in Warlords of Draenor, Velen of that universe died. Does that mean there is a Velen in the Shadowlands? But what about the Velen in Azeroth? All these things are very complicated questions.
The way I would have you think about it is think of a rope… If you look at a rope, it is one thing, right? It’s something that you can grab onto, you can hold it, you can see it; think of that as a character. Think of that rope as Draka or Velen.
If you look at that rope more closely, you can see there are different threads that make up the rope. There are different twines that pull together, and you can pull off one of these threads if you want. But it’s still a rope, and each of those threads you can think of as one of the realities of the character, one of the streams of time… There is a thread that is the Draka from Draenor we visited in the Warlords of Draenor. There is another thread that is Draka on Azeroth as we know her… And there are many other threads that could be other realities that we never peered into. But all of those threads at some time come together to make that rope. And remember also that, as you’ll see, that there are many characters in the Shadowlands when they refer to time, they usually say that time is not a construct of Death. Time and Death are not related. Death is about eternity, not linear time. The manner in which these threads come together, that can take a very long time from mortal perceptions. Those threads can be separated for a time, but sooner or later, they do combine to make one rope that is that character. You can think of it as the threads of that rope, all the individual threads, are just waiting. And over time, they will come together but they can exist as separate entities for a time. That still doesn’t change the fact that they are part of one rope.
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