Man it’s crazy how good it feels that league of legends arena queues are like 30 seconds to a minute tops…. Meanwhile wow is 40+ minutes for a single game… WOOOOOO
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Rank one “the word ‘arena’” understander here
Its hard to make comparisons to WoW arenas vs LoL because they do combat so much better than the dev teams we had for the last 19 years.
I look forward to them having a new MMO adventure one day for us to enjoy.
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imagine if league arena and ranked said every single game someone needs to play soraka or the match wont start.
thats basically what wow arena is doing.
league is successful and the riot mmo will be successful because they understand its more fun to just let people play whatever they want to achieve the objective.
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You can q whatever you want out of shuffle.
shuffle is the defacto ranked gamemode for pvp in wow. It takes 40 minutes to get into a game as a dps at all mmrs. The game says every single game will be 1 healer 2 dps.
ranked in league says while yes you need 1 person on each lane, we literally dont care what you play or what you build or how you play it just kill the nexus first . It takes 1-5 minutes to get into a game outside of GM LP.
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You made shuffle out to be the defacto ranked mode. But the true ranked mode, that has been the true ranked mode forever is still right there. Much better than shuffle, allows all the diversity you want, and no long q times.
League also has autofill, which is the main reasoning for reduced q time for most roles. Because it forces people off of the roles that are the most popular. It’s a terrible system that no one likes.
I did? When tf did I do that?
The true ranked mode is whatever the masses deem it is. No one ques traditional 3s, its no longer the primary ranked mode its as simple as that.
Yeah the Q times to get into 1500 lobby of 4P ex gladiators/duelist is pretty fast true, but the Q times waiting in LFG getting declined perma or making your own group and dealing with people leaving on the first loss/no one signing up is just as long as RSS at times.
Autofill affects a proportionally small amount of people in ranked, primarily people who only play mid. If you put jungle, top, support, or bot as your primary role and you’re under diamond, 95 times out of 100 you will get your main role.
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Brain rot is a scary thing…
World of warcraft is an MMO. MMO’s are designed as a social game. Go out, meet people, make friends. Play with them. IF all you do is just go from lfg group to lfg group yeah, your not gonna make any progress. If you go from lfg group, find someone you wanna try qing with more, add them. Play more, bam now you have q’s.
Ok think of mid as dps in shuffle. If you wanna only q mid you can’t a lot of the time. You get off role in 2/5 games. But I do think that if blizzard wants to continue supporting shuffle they need to implement their own version of autofill. Which would be is you q x games on healer, your next dps q is instant or high priority. That would fix the long q time epidemic. Since it would force more people to play healer decreasing q times at lower ratings, and also allow people to q dps whenever they want to after playing healer.
LoL is a lot easier to be good at too. It’s nice not having 35 buttons. I’ve always thought the button bloat in WoW is the number one reason new players lose interest in this game. The skill floor is more like a ceiling.
There seems to be a misunderstanding and you are a tiny bit slow on the uptake, so I will break it down for you.
I didnt “make out” shuffle to be the defacto ranked gamemode. If i say the sky is blue, thats not something I “made out”. Its not a take or opinion, it just is. More people que RSS because its more rewarding and it lets people participate without the hoops and hurdles traditional arena invites.
Lets say I completely agree with you. It doesnt matter. Your personal opinion on how players need to play the game is null and void. The fact is most people dont want to do any of this.
If most of your customers want to eat the cookie dough raw and you keep baking it, they are gonna not buy your product.
Saying to think mid is as DPS is already off to a skewed comparison. Top/jungle/Bot are also just as much “DPS” as mid is. The beauty behind the success of league is that it give players the freedom to get to the destination of destroying the nexus in ANY shape or form they want. You can play a tank mid as a counterpick and be more useful than the Zed onetrick.
This is exactly what league doesnt do and is exactly why its system is better.
If you get autofilled support in league, its not saying you have to play an enchanter like Lulu. You can be a tank like Leona, you can be a vanguard like Thresh, you can be a mage like Vel’koz, you can be a marksman support like Ashe, you can be an assassin like pyke. Ignore your ADC if you want. Perma gank mid. Give the enemy jungler cancer. Whatever you want.
Forcing people to play the specific thing that they dont want to play, in the specific way they dont like playing is not going to be successful long term no matter what it is.
I told people months ago it’s going to be a much better experience and people sayid get lost.
This is the only reason people q shuffle.
If you have to convince people that shuffle is the defacto gamemode then it probably isn’t. Also if it was, why does it seem that most balance changes are based around normal 3’s, not shuffle. They wouldn’t be nerfing things like rdruid and mw if shuffle was what they were balancing around, they would probably instead just buff the other healers. But since they were incredibly op in normal 3’s, they nerfed them overall.
Sure, you don’t have to play like that. But if you don’t put the effort in to try and make these connections, you don’t have the right to complain about the process not working. I personally think that they should get rid of shuffle and replace it with solo q normal 3’s. Since it wouldn’t divide the player base like shuffle does and also help inflation.
Mid is the most popular role, dps is the most popular role. That’s where the comparison is coming from, not the actual playstyle of the roles.
And people can play any spec they want to, any comp they want to, and potentially find success with it. There’s a team playing blood dk fire mage at 2100 in 3’s lately. You can make your spec work, with a comp, if you put in the effort to get better and learn it. Just like how in league, if you pick something that isn’t good for your role, eventually if you get good enough at is, you can make it work.
What do you mean? League does do it. They have autofill protection after you get autofilled. So you can play the role you want to, after playing the role you don’t want to.
Sure if you play a healer in wow, you don’t have to just afk heal like most rdruid do. You can play stormkeeper rsham, or disc priest, or melee wings paly. You don’t have to plat the traditional healer playstyle just because it’s better. You can try and make your own style work.
You aren’t forcing anyone to do it “unlike league with autofill”. You are giving them to the choice, to q healer in exchange for faster q’s on dps.
You’re not representative of “people” here
? There is no convincing being done wdym. They are presented with 2 options and the masses decided they would rather play RSS. Blizzard didnt force people to play RSS over arena.
I mean even if this is true it doesnt matter what the intent is if the result is still more people showing interesting in RSS at the end of the day. They nerfed brewmaster when like 4 people worldwide was playing brewmaster above 2400 because of AWC performance.
But I actually do. Im paying for your product. I can complain about ANYTHING, even the login screen being too loud. Sure thats stupid and even unreasonable and you can go oh thats just one person; But if a very large portion of your customers shares that sentiment and stop paying you money that you rely upon for that reason, then you change the login screen volume.
I would agree. I dont personally like shuffle for a myriad of reasons. I think making it arena lite was a foundational mistake to begin it.
But thats my point. DPS for wow is a playstyle in itself. Your job as a DPS is always going to be the same no matter what spec you are playing in WoW on a macro level. Just like your job in league is going to be the same if you are playing Zed or Talon or Qiyana. Mid is not just the designated DPS lane. Playing Sion mid is going to drastically make you play differently and how you approach the game vs a Yassuo.
The same applies for healers. If I want someone to play healer, their overall job is going to be the same on mistweaver or discpline priest just like the job of a Lulu or Nami is going to be the relatively the same. In-class characters in league are basically specs in WoW.
The difference is the blood dk is just larping as a DPS because tanks in arena fill the same role as DPS do.
For example, a fresh new healer player in RSS only has 1 job no matter how you spin it based on spec. To keep allies alive as long as possible so your team can kill the enemy team. Sure there micro differences such as CC and utility, but not macro.
If I am autofilled support in league, i can buy mobi boots at level 3 and never ever go back bot. Thats a viable strategy. I could run into the enemy jungle and perma invade with my jungler. Thats a viable strategy too. I dont have to be an enchanter, i can be an assassin or mage.
These are the variables that keep autofilled in league tolerable. If every game of autofilled support I was forced to play nami and ONLY babysit my adc all game then there would problem, which is effectively what healing is in WoW.
It’s the same mentality of people choosing to use self checkout. You don’t have to worry about interacting with people, even if the experience is overall worse it’s easier to do. There will always be more people using the easier option, even if it’s a worse experience.
Because also after seeing it do well in the tournament a ton of people started playing it and they realized it wasn’t healthy for the game?
You say it’s your point, but then completely disregard the entire point… It’s not playstyle it’s popularity of the role. There are mor epeople wanting to q dps than there are wanting to q healer. Just like there are more people wanting to q mid, than q jungle.
But for playsyle, you can have different playstyles as dps, you can play a caster and have most of your job just be cross cc’ing peeling, and making the other team have a miserable time, while waiting for your perfect go to pop off. You don’t just have to be a dps bot all game, there are different playstyles for a lot of classes outside of just “dps”. You think sub rogue and ret paladin have the same playstyle? They don’t, but they have the same role no? Both are dps.
Your missing the entire point again, it’s an example of someone picking something off meta and still doing well with it. You can play whatever you want, and if your good enough at it you’ll have success with it eventually, just like someone playing garen adc.
Cool and if you play healer in wow, you can spam clone as rdruid force plays, spam damage as rsham/ disc, melee zug zug people down as fist or hpal. There are plenty of different playstyles you can do as a healer that can work if you do then well enough.