Tourists are less likely to pick the layered full pop realm with a huge queue, they’re more likely to pick the dead realm with no queue just so they can check out the game, giving the dead realm a higher false sense of life
My bad, it only had 8 million.
Less than that too. Go ahead and keep being generous.
You showed nothing that was contradictory though, you’re implying that I made claims that I did not, you’re ASSUMING that the word “funneling” means “forcing” those are not the same words and not interchangeable in every context, so quoting me and saying “gotcha” is just foolish. and you still have yet to point out a single thing that is wrong with this approach, all you can say is “hah i’m right because I said so, because if I strawman your argument and imply you’re calling people “leavers” that I win”. like it’s to the point I feel bad for you, like how deficient do you have to be to seriously think this? I mean if you’re high I can understand it takes a bit, think it through and reread it, but if this is your ability to debate and defend your positions, then your preferred method “winning” a debate is that of a pigeon playing chess
You do know it’s the realm WITH layering that’s going to have the SHORTER if any login queues, THAT’S the big upside of having layering, that’s why those players who fall into the mindset of “tourist” would WANT to play those, it’s the nonlayering that will have the long log in times.
I did nothing of anything you said other than quoting you.
I provided no strawmen or argument against your proposal. All I did was quote two contradicting statements you made. You said its stupid to assume there will be no tourists on non layered servers. However your initial post assumes just that. You can say otherwise but its pretty clear.
There was a pretty interesting poll on MMO champ not long ago about this (who’d like to play on layered/non layered servers).
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2492118-Would-you-select-a-server-without-layers-given-the-choice
Of course, it’s just a small sample of big WoW fans (and who knows how many of them are really gonna look to play classic longterm, or at all), but interesting nonetheless cause it adds up with your prediction.
Although personally i think the people who’d prefer layered servers are gonna be a very small minority at the latest at launch when they see it in action. There’s already (on other social platforms mostly) a lot of people catching up on what layering is, and speaking up about it once they find out.
Who knows what things will look like sooner to launch, but right now, this stuff is catching fire fast.
Sure, I understand it. Can you understand that the leavers are not the issue? It’s what will Blizzard do with the dead servers when people, inevitably, do leave. Which is the part you seem to want to forget.
I would agree to this if they disable the ability to transfer characters from non-layered realms.
Considering the RP PvP realm poll has 70x the respondants and its not getting any recognition from blizzard I doubt that one will do anything to sway.
You quoted two things that didn’t contradict each other and said we’re done here, Implying my position is wrong, I have asked for you to clarify multiple times now but you refuse to actually put in anything of value, just insults, so do you have anything of substance? or is all you have the “nuh uh” card?
It is my understanding that they are not offering player transfers at all on classic servers, if someone can clarify where they have said this will be offered I’d love to hear but from what I’ve gathered they seem to be very standoffish for support or additional services for classic.
Don’t get me wrong, i doubt it too. I doubt also that layering has much of a chance to be removed by this point, but… there is still a chance.
Would be nice to see their thoughts soon on what they have planned with Classic in regards to layering, now that they’ve had the opportunity to test it a couple of times.
You’re right they don’t contradict each other just show you calling yourself stupid.
Nah the nuh uh card is all i really have. The dead horse has been beaten relentlessly to the point where its a bloody mush stain on the ground.
Most the anti-layering crowd want to live in this fantasy world where classic won’t have a population drop. Which is really weird because the only time that happened was vanilla. Every pserver has a pop drop well before Naxx and an even steeper one post Nax.
For all I care blizzard could do it. Then when the pop drops and the non layered server people come begging for transfers and merges. While whining about those after they happen. I’ll just sit, read, laugh and enjoy the tears.
I doubt their thoughts have changed. Removal at/before phase 2. They have added an ICD so that’s good. Time to just sit and wait.
I never said leaving is the issue, I’m saying their “answer” to leaving IS an issue and this option would alleviate that. They don’t have any hard proof for either option and the player base is pretty split up for it. either way layering isn’t supposed to be a super long term issue that spans years and decades, it’s a temp answer they plan on ditching(or state that they will be). IF leaving is an issue or not does not matter, blizzard has made it very clear they wont just completely drop layering as they’ve invested a lot and there is a portion of the player base that DOES want it, so if it’s going to be phased out and many are arguing that the issues/exploits with layering could have negative impacts on the community why force that choice FOR the player? why not have the player choose which flavor they like better chocolate or vanilla? again if you’re assuming this decision is being influence IN ANY WAY FOR IT’S “PREVENTION” OF LEAVERS YOU’RE WRONG! DEAD WRONG!
So, basically, block yet another method to recover population from the inevitable losses.
Dead servers.
Blizzard has a solution. You think the solution is an issue yet don’t offer a fix for the original issue. - Dead Servers
Then we end up with servers that will be exactly what Blizzard aims to mitigate.
You suggestion does nothing but add an additional server type. Why shouldn’t they do this same thing for “Guild Bank” servers or “1.5 AV” servers.
This right here illustrates you have not been listening. This is not to prevent tourism. This is how Blizzard will recover after the initial wave.
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again, you put things to the words that were not there in the first place, you have to misread and assume a lot to get to your conclusion,
but if you don’t care and aren’t interested in being anything of value I hope you enjoy your life, it feels like it’s a painfully sad life but I hope you find some joy in it.
See ya in August. You know you will be playing. The question is will you be a tourist or not.
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Well if by adding this system they prevent people from having to wait a long Q to play or finish there starting area quest then i am all for it. They did say it was a temp solution until the servers are stable and population gets more stable.
They did not say they where going to keep it like that all the time or for a long time. They did say only for the release and shortly after they will take it out. Let’s wait and see how it comes out after release ( give it a few weeks to a month after release).
So when you said tourists will funnel into layered servers you weren’t assuming that pretty much all of them would? Doubt it.
Then when you said its stupid to assume that non layering servers will have no tourists, you were being literal in the sense that you meant absolute zero? also doubt that.
Ok. Have fun being all bent out of shape over something that is coming. Cya in August.