Layer switching is the problem, not layering itself

They knew, that’s why they have layering. They knew people would layer switch to to do whatever it is they do.

If the developers are calling and exploit, then it’s an export. The only opinion that matters is his.

It doesn’t make much sense to do all the following simultaneously:

  • not trust what Blizzard says
  • demand a response from Blizzard

Unless what you’re looking for is a response that you intend to disbelieve immediately. That’s just a waste of everyone’s time.

I haven’t found a definitive way to prove what they’ve said is false. My boys fabricated some screens to poke fun at and exaggerate the potential effects of layering. Looks like it’s caused some panic, yeah? They’re gonna know what’s really in our bank.

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You misunderstand. If they didn’t think layering would continue to be needed, they wouldn’t have controls in place. It would have been wasted effort on a non-issue, because the window for abuse would be relatively small. If both initial popularity and continued popularity are larger than expected (and, given queue times, I think we can agree that initial popularity was larger than expected), then it becomes an issue because there is a larger window.

It’s not about whether they expected it so much as how long they expected it to be possible, and possibly in what magnitude.

Exactly. The AH is flooded, and not just because people are layer hopping but because there’s just too many people crammed on one server. The items I could normally sell and make a little profit on while leveling are listed for just coppers above vendor price. Pages of them.

Yeah. So much for an authentic experience. Wish I could say I was surprised Blizzard deceived its customers yet again but I expected as much.

Can you sticky this response?

The speed at which people were doing it was the exploit. Not the action.

This is either not entirely accurate or worded in a confusing way. If you type “/who” in a certain zone, it will display only the players that are in that zone who share a layer with you. This can be verified by layer hopping and seeing an entirely different set of names under the same /who parameters when you enter the new layer. We tested this while leveling and it returned accurately for only the players on your layer. If you expand the parameters to something like “/who 55-60” it then displays the whole world. I’m not sure if this has gone unnoticed, is a bug, or if this post was specifically talking about capital cities (I haven’t tested the way captial cities work with layering).

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No one should have expected low to mid level leather or cloth to be worth anything in the first weeks or months. This is because everyone is leveling up and killing the mobs that drop these items and has the smart idea to throw them on the AH. If you notice, high level cloth like runecloth is selling well on most servers because most people are still too low to farm it. This will change as more people get higher level. At that time, the price of lower level cloth and leather will rise

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This is wrong. /who shows your entire realm. The way /who works is it scans the entire realm. Not just the zone you are in. No matter were you are. It also redoes the scan every time you do a /who which is why different people will see different lists everytime. So…no you can’t see who is on just your layer by doing a /who

The fact that Blizzard hasn’t made an intimidating post threatening layer hoppers with bans, suspensions, rollbacks, etc means nothing. I doubt they would make a public display of such consequences, if they choose to institute them. I suspect that after they have put in whatever hotfix they feel is appropriate, if any consequences happen, they’ll happen quietly and not be broadcast to the forums in a blue post. I doubt bans would be appropriate though, maybe just a bank wipe or something like that.

You didn’t read my post. Go back, read it, and absorb the information.

An example:
If you’re in Un’goro and you type “/who” it will only return the players in Un’goro that are on your layer. If you don’t believe this, I encourage you to go test it yourself. Grab some friends, go to a zone on the same layer, type “/who”. You’ll see them in front of you, and their name in the /who results. Now layer swap. They will disappear from in front of you, and in the /who results.

If you type “/who 55-60” it will return all players who are between level 55 and 60, regardless of what layer they are on.

The basic “/who” command creates an automatic filter in the results that for some reason or another, only returns players in your current layer when only using that basic filter. When altered, it displays the entire world.

Both of these are testable. You can verify them yourself.

I never demand a response, I just take the wait n see attitude.

Classic is working for me so it’s all good.

right wing? what?

left wing? middle wing? was going for the conspiracy theory more than what wing of the chicken it was from…
:rofl:

ah. sorry.

but can’t we all agree that streamers promoting layer hopping on classic to farm mats isn’t necessarily the best thing for Classic WoW?

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When did chickens get a middle wing??? Sorry couldn’t resist heh.

Again i read what you said and it’s wrong. I have /who multiple times since day one of classic and it shows multiple layers. Ive talked to people in the zone i am in and when we’ve met up to trade or anything. They were in a different layer. This has happened multiple times. So…no. it doesn’t just show your layer. You are misreading the information.

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I wont argue with you, as I’ve tested this thoroughly and know for a fact that it does search via layer when using the basic /who function. Whether you believe it works or not doesn’t have any bearing on the fact that it does, and this is the function that addons are using to determine layers.

Have 70% of the population going mining/skinning or herb/skinning for all that easy gold has kinda back fired when it’s everyone doing it. Will be interesting to see which money makers come out on top now.