Layer switching is the problem, not layering itself

[Griever-whitemane]

All realms have a single-digit number of layers. Most of them have a low single-digit number.

So you’re saying that the high pop realms have 5 to 9 times as many people running around as we can currently see?

No wonder the world feels so empty, even on servers with queues.

[Fearnun-tichondrius (Fearnun)]

They’ve been monitoring it. Meanwhile it was called out in beta. Hence the PR approach to say something while nothing has been done. Jeeze people are dense these days. You obviously don’t understand PR if you’re defending Blizz saying they are going to deal with this issue when it has been an issue months before launch. Holy crap. I lose more faith in humanity and common sense daily.

[Bigbaneus-remulos]

And yet weirdly, you seem to place your trust in other people you’ve never met and have no actual reason to trust either.

You’re strangely inconsistent.

[Launchd-thalnos]

You’ve been monitoring it, great.

Were you also monitoring the people abusing the raid XP issue? The very issue that was reported to you before go live, yet went unfixed? Why are these people still active subscribers and running around the game? Why are they clearing raid content?

You launched Classic and provided two ways for players in the know to gain a seriously unfair advantage, then you’ve done nothing about either when they get abused. Good job Blizzard, you certainly have my vote of confidence. Can we all go back on private servers now? The experience was better and true to the original game.

[Nagual-smolderweb]

Funny how you did not talk about the addon that allows you to exploit layers, yeah that tottally ruins your damage control text.

[Tiphoon-sargeras]

Thank you for the response and I hope your secret weapons and future solutions help the issue even more. This was a huge concern of mine and seems like you put my worst fears to rest. Obviously layer abuse can still benefit people but maybe not to insane effects. I would like to see layers removed completely somehow but I understand right now that’s prob not possible

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

From a developer themselves.

Glad to hear that it’s being monitored.

I won’t lie. That post with the screenshot pissed me off,so glad to know that’s not actually happening.

Yes, odds are it was a shot from a private server or outright decently photoshopped.

[Stricken-sulfuras]

ya lol pay 900 euro for r14 toon

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

People having hundreds of lotus already isn’t really insignificant.

So something Paz said flat out is not happening isn’t really insignificant?

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

Exaggerated

http://imgur.com/gkCgOez

So you’re just flat out calling Paz a liar, since he specifically said:

We’ve been closely monitoring the effect layering is having on economies and other aspects of the game, and many of the stories we see posted are wildly inaccurate. We’ve seen screenshots of banks full of rare crafting materials, which we’ve investigated and proved false.

We’ve seen screenshots of banks full of rare crafting materials, which we’ve investigated and proved false.

which we’ve investigated and proved false.

proved false.

[Daimonas-fizzcrank (Daimonas)]

a few secret weapons we haven’t discussed publicly

Yeah, such as no layering in the Gurubashi Arena.

Solution? Leave the arena and wait a few minutes before accepting group inivte.

What I’m more concerned about, is:

1. Zones are crowded all around the clock, whether it’s 7 PM or 4 AM
2. But when it comes to turn off layering? Queues will be even longer than this. It’s already too much for long-term. Players will either burn out earlier and unbus, or stay in queue. The FCM didn’t seem to have helped a lot.

[Trulove-benediction]

I knew that picture was fake.

15 mageweave bags
800+ gold
And 3000 crystals

Impossible by 1 week of classic

[Warthogg-pagle]

The moment Joker abused layering for Classic first 60 cheatingly, I knew this would all happen. It’s come full circle.

Everyone knew layering abuse aka exploiting was going to happen, we just didn’t know how bad it truly was going to be.

[anon84092943]

Glad it is not a major issue!

[Mentu-grobbulus]

we agree that we should add a delay between subsequent layer transfers

Since when do you agree? Didn’t people give feedback about the exact same situation during the beta already?

the issue is a much smaller problem than some people are claiming.

But is a problem and a very individual one at times. In the bigger picture you might not care that people can just cheat themself to another layer when you want to confront them in pvp but for the individual it is nothing like vanilla wow.

Also you have people relying exclusively on abusing layering and you have it recorded on twitch. Why does it matter if one person did it or 200 did it. If layering can be exploited then it should be fixed.

Most of them

many of the stories

some additional controls

This all sounds not very reassuring cause its a case where even one out of many is not a good enough result.
And what about the few out of the many, what actions are you willing to take against their exploitive behavior?
ONLY fixing the issue now after it got exploited AGAIN and that therefore was known before release is “little too late”.

[Kuraudoh-bleeding-hollow (Kuraudoh)]

So many posts here on how were stuck with the abuse caused by unregulated layer switching because layering needs to exist. These are two separate issues.

Layering itself is fine; the problem is that switching layers is too easy. There needs to be either a longer cooldown or a requirement of being in the same zone/area as the leader to switch layers.

That’s not the issue. Guild is constantly filled with “pls invite to another layer.”

If it wasn’t advantageous, people wouldn’t constantly be spamming for it.

[Bezawit-herod]

Turn this layering crap off. It was a badly implemented idea that no one wanted to begin with. I could see it being necessary at launch in low level zones but the longer it remains available in high level zones, the longer people are going to find ways to exploit it for gold.

[Mentu-grobbulus]

for gold

and for xp
and for rares
and for pvp

[Forsakenlord-blades-edge (Forsakenlord)]

The fix is to take layering out of the game. If you are on the same server as that person you should be on the SAME server not on layer 2, 3, 4, etc. One server, no layers.

[Reknar-grobbulus]

many of the stories we see posted are wildly inaccurate.

So why not fix the communication issues around here? This forum is full of misinformation. They get called on it. Then switch avatars to spread more misinformation.

1. This multiple avatar forum system is not conducive to good communication. One forum name should be utilized.
2. Lack of engagement/communication from your end is adding fuel to this fire. This issue was brought up in beta.
3. Misinformation is the norm here. Why is there no policy in place to correct people who are deliberately spreading false information? There should be a flag for reporting posters who are clearly spreading false information. Not just on this issue.

we agree that we should add a delay between subsequent layer transfers.

Again. This should not have went live. These concerns were brought up when layering was announced. This is a clear message that our feedback is ignored.

Fix the forums. Engage your players.
Good feedback would be a lot easier to receive and sort through if we didn’t have so many here muddying up the waters intentionally.