Bro go form your own group if it really matters that much to you, its not like tbc dungeons we’re essentially gonna be rolling these heroics in decent lvl 80 gear. Also comparing Vanilla wow to wotlk just shows how weak your argument is. I would never ever want RFD in Vanilla wow but in wotlk its necessary.
I hope that I at least partially answered this, and maybe some of your other questions.
I should not have wrote that like that. Its clear to me now that that both sides of this subject are very passionate. I’m sorry.
Moving on.
I had some down time at work today, and I read a paper on logical fallacies. It was eye opening. I’m pretty bad at properly formulating a logically sound argument I guess. So thanks is in order. I want to try and get better at discussions moving forward.
After all of this, because both sides are so passionate about this issue, Ive decided to take a more neutral stance on the issue. Given that the people that want the finder versus the people do not have arrived at these positions mostly out of personal experience.
Hopefully, if not having the dungeon finder thing ends up being a bad call on blizzards part, they decide to add a finder that both camps on this issue will be okay with.
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Wrath also launched without a dungeon finder lol
How much do you sell your “tanking” for? I’ll be gearing a Paladin or a DK tank to make some gold off this.
Pulling numbers out of your hat again?
I’ll be honest, I almost fell off my seat in shock when I saw that you took the time to not only respond again, but read something that might offer a different viewpoint. AND, you formulated your own conclusion. That just doesn’t happen on the internet.
You, fam, are a legend, and gave me some hope for humanity.
I will leave you with the same sentiment you gave at the end of your prior post: I hope we all have the absolute best time playing Wrath of the Lich King Classic, in whatever form it comes.
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If they have a vision for a game they should make a new one. WotLK is a finished game with a clear timeline and it’s the wrong move to completely destroy it’s authenticity and the nostalgia around old times by removing such a crucial feature.
Yeah, it’s so immersive, having to look for a tank so long until your freetime is almost over and you have to go bed. I’m not in school anymore as I was back then, my time is limited today and because of this the DF was implemented back then. To give casual players the chance to find groups in a reasonable time without huge effort and without having to play on a big server.
Well, now I think I won’t even touch it. I was a 100% sure I would play it when it finally comes, but now… my excitement is gone.
Why can’t we just have the tool and people decide if they want to use it or not? It was always optional! I personally found it convenient, it’s no fun spamming the chat hoping to find a group. Don’t have time for that.
Somewhat more recent history shows us that a lot of the people who were saying they were looking forward to playing wrath classic and citing the dungeon finder and badges have already changed their mind. It doesn’t matter if they decide to come up with a retail-style band aid fix that is mostly just for show and won’t come for at least a year. Those people are already gone, and they won’t be back.
This is Ion’s last chance to “prove” that removing the dungeon finder from wrath classic will result in measurable positive changes to the game.
and then later had a dungeon finder for half of its existence lol
because it is a binary option of RFD or paying “chinese boosters” 
I also agree this was a necessary change to remove RDF. With the way the RDF is implemented, it allows players to freely kick others out with no consequences. Another player is no longer a person you could care about because there was to time invested into seeking them out. Even early on when it was first implemented in WotLK, I distinctly remember experiences where a group of 3 would shoot themselves in the foot by kicking a tank or healer and the run would fall apart. Which really is not a big deal for the 3 because they can just requeue whereas the player who was booted is left with a very poor social interaction. If you think of WoW as a social place where people can play together, RDF is a tool that is ripe for abuse where players can use and abuse others freely with minimal consequences. It allows for other players to be seen as a resource rather than a person you meet. Like if you have a bad dps, it is far more quicker and easier to kick and find another rather than to take the time to explain fights and work with the bad dps. I think everyone here should think about moments where they waited for a tank or healer or dps while in the middle of a dungeon and used that time to talk to the rest of the party meanwhile or just chill. But with the dungeon finder, it is always kick or pull faster and you never know when you might be the one to get kicked.
What is the consequence for abusing party dynamics in TBC Classic right now? There are none.
What is the deterrent? There is none.
There just can’t be when megaservers are as large as they have been allowed to become.
Do you believe players in TBC Classic are explaining fights to “bad DPS” even now? They aren’t.
Any road blocks to clearing a dungeon most commonly results in one fed up player leaving the party on the spot, and the group ends up disbanding.
Yes, even when it’s just one wipe (sometimes even just one death or one bad pull).
Yes, even when you have spent 1 hour or more trying to form a group.
And RDF isn’t even in the game yet.
Claiming RDF as the source misses the mark entirely.
The behavior is already there.
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You ever tradechat/LookingForGroup channels much?
You are trigger happy when it comes to ignoring players and you can’t understand why people want to preserve the pre-rdf social dynamics…
Have you tried being more sociable?
That stopped at level 60 outside the Dark Portal m8
Launching it without the finder would be fine, never having the finder seems like an error.
Well that’s the problem. Dungeon finder also feeds into that anti- social megaserver behavior and all the issues you already have will only be amplified. I know it is a mess now, but OG WotLK and Cata were far worse. At least now groups are not vote-kicking others right before the last boss dies.
You mean the endless lfg spam of buying and selling dungeon runs? Yeah, let’s preserve that.
Boosts, bots, and gdkp. That’s worth preservering.
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Amplified in what way? Based on what evidence?
What are you basing your assumptions on?
If people are willing to vote-kick before the last boss dies, they are willing to just party-kick before the last boss dies.
The tools they use to do it don’t change the behavior, and the lack of RDF doesn’t create some mystical social barrier that protects players from this type of abuse.
The RDF is a tool. What you are afraid of is toxic behavior. The behavior is already there.
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